I don’t call them Nazis because I dislike them, I dislike them because they’re Nazis.
No they are fascists, Nazi was the shorthand for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), the first 4 letters.
Fascism gets its name from Italy, Mussolini’s Fascist Party, but it is the name for the political ideology as a whole, there is no Nazism and Americans being called Nazis is kinda weird, imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.
Thanks for coming to my stickler talk.
What do you call people who wear red and black swastikas and say heil Hitler while doing a salute typical of the Nazi party?
If the situation were flipped, and Hitler was rising to power ~80 years after we had a massive war to take out MAGA fascists, then yeah I think people would refer to them as “MAGA”, at least at first.
Nazi
meansrefers to National Socialist, but at this point in history, it can also just refer to political movements that are fascist and Nazi-like. The meanings of words shift over time.Edit: Fixed to appease a pedant.
Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist, as I said it’s literally just the first 4 letters, a shorthand a nickname, American version for Republicans would be Repu/Repus.
Lots of people I have seen that think it’s Nazi because the Sozialistische has the Zi, it’s nonsense, Nazional is how germans pronounce National, hence it’s shortened to Nazi.
Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist
Ridiculously pedantic. Come on.
You are confusing National Socialism with Leftist-Nationalism
The reason Hitler added Social to their party name was because it was political suicide not to, not because they where socialists.
I mean, so was my first comment, not sure what you expected 😃
imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.
It’s semantics. The German and American fascists all pull from the same ideological and rhetorical playbook.
Veneration of the national security state. Zealous religious orthodoxy. Obsession with loyalty oaths and ethnicity sorting. Reflexive xenophobia. Institutionalized quackery.
It’s all the same shit. Same as Apartheid Africa. Same as Kuomanting China. Same as Pinochet’s Chile and Milei’s Argentina.
Imagine gatekeeping nazis.
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist though. The party wasn’t called Nazi, the members were.
It was and is literally called the Nazi Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers’ Party
I am German. We don’t call it that. Nobody says Nazipartei, it’s NSDAP. Nazi Party is an English expression and has nothing to do with the etymology of the word Nazi.
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi (the english version of this article points to the ideology of nazism, the original is about the term. Use a translator if you’re interested.)
It was coined in the 1920s and it’s not an American term. You call the party Nazi Party because it was the party of the nazis, not the other way around.
The only good fascist is a very dead fascist.
Cody seems so dispirited for months. Not that I blame him at all.
“It is the correct word for donald trump and the people around him”
Oh! This is the guy who talked about what a shithead Fetterman was even before the stroke! I could never find it again but I remember his face.
The channel‘s called Some More News
Lol nice username
fuck that. I wish harm on fascists. lots of it. so much harm that other fascists are scared to even be associated with the word.
That’s step two or three, for sure. But the point being made is fascist isn’t a word that can be applied to anyone and everyone (setting aside the 2¢ insult version) - it is a specific political ideology that one earns by their words and actions.
Unfortunately it is also complex to diagnose, particularly in early stages, especially as intelligent budding fascists will deliberately evade the formal definitions while still finding ways to accomplish similar effects.
But yes - there’s also cases where fascists clearly and obviously are doing fascist things, and need to be stopped immediately, please feel free to give them a proper knuckle sandwich (or an appropriate grade of violence as the situation warrants)
I do not want to be seen as defending fascists or being obscurantist but I regularly encounter normal people who literally never learned how to identify a fascist. To them, it vaguely means authoritarian and imperialistic and deploying it in conversations within an american context seems unnecessarily inflammatory. The average person has neither the time nor the inclination be as plugged into politics as we are. Words actually do mean things…just different things to different people.
Ppl are constantly glued to their phones. They’re just lazy or have their head in the sand if they don’t pay attention to politics.
Have you seen people’s algorithmic bubbles? The corporations that control these algorithms do not want to increase access to accurate and helpful information. Blaming millions of people instead of the systems that keep them oppressed is morally questionable, strategically ineffective, and psychologically isolating.
Well considering there’s plenty of documentaries, case studies, and articles written about how poisonous social media and algorithms are i dont have much sympathy for those who don’t look into it when we live in an age were information on EVERYTHING EVER WRITTEN DOWN is freely avaliable. Im not going to feel sorry because ppl rather look at cat videos and follow influencers instead of reading an article that tells them without a doubt how fucked up social media is.
It’s no different when ppl complained about tv being and idiot box. Just because YOU will watch the Bachelor or Real Housewives instead of Frontline or 60 minutes doesnt mean the medium makes everyone stupid. At a certain point it becomes YOUR responsibility to be an informed citizen.
If your heart is set on finding reasons to hate everyone else, you are always going to find them but successful political movements are built on solidarity and compassion.
Solidarity with who? The part of the country that voted in that facist who dont even recognize reality. I’m not going to feel sorry for a bunch of white folks and latinos who basically voted for him because brown and gay ppl were starting to get treated better. I have no compassion for bigots.
As for democrats and liberal white America they’ve constantly dropped the ball on solidarity with minorities. If its not obvious im a black dude. Black America has had PLENTY of compassion for others yet theres been practically no solidarity in return. I don’t hate everyone else. I just have absolutely zero faith in America doing the right thing. For fuck sake hippies we’re preaching peace, love, fighting for civil rights then moved to the suburbs and voted for Reagan.
I hear you but unless you already have a bullet proof political movement (the left does not), then you need to find it in your heart to look at the deplorables and find commonalities and build on them. This is the real benefit of class solidarity and economic essentialism. Our identitarian differences can be used against a movement to divide it, but we are all workers under capitalism. We all have bills. We all need to put food on the table. And yeah, securing labor rights, housing, and healthcare will not solve racism, sexism, and other bigotries BUT it will be much easier to advocate for social justice issues if people arent just fighting for survival.
The people you are angry with deserve your ire, but they are as much a product of their environments and circumstances as everyone else. Barring the rapture, they arent going anywhere so our political solutions need to include these people. There simply is not enough political power in everyone else to overturn their political relevance.
Why are you guys always telling this to brown ppl? Brown ppl didnt keep white ppl out of their unions, out of their neighborhoods, or denied them a good education. The main issue with class solidarity is trying to convince white ppl that brown and lgbtq ppl deserve the same standard of living as they do.
Generally, the people who claim the meaning has changed or been watered down are fascists or their sympathizers or prescriptivists that fail to understand how language evolves. Watch them come out of the woodwork to explain how nobody is a nazi because the National Socialist party doesn’t exist anymore. Buncha stupid fucking bastards.
But it has been watered down. Its been watered down by all the culture war weirdos who claim everyone who doesnt agree with them, is a nazi and fascist. And its not just the left aiming at the right, its fucking everyone. Dont like video game? You must be a fascist. Dont like a movie? You must be a nazi!
Its like “paedo”. That one lost all meaning as well. Even going so far as to label dating 25 year olds “paedo behaviour”. Social media, if it does nothing else, totally ruins the meaning of words in favour of gaining worthless internet up arrows by saying popular thing over and over and over and over again.
For the first: those are just idiots being idiots. The word isn’t watered down by idiots usage. The word still means the same things. It just means the population around you that believes this is fascist adjacent and an idiot.
Again hard disagree. It still means diddling kids. There just more idiots around and are more vocal.
A word is watered down when it is used to describe anything and everything. And in case you missed it, we are surrounded by idiots being idiots and doing just that.
I think I choose to not let it get watered down then? It has meaning I know the meaning. Idiots have always existed.
Idiots have, but they werent as infectious as they are today.
Boomer, used to just mean that someone was a baby boomer, born between 46 and 64. Then some woman said “OK Boomer” and that was the end of the that. All of sudden anyone not a younger end Gen Z was a “boomer”. You can see that going the other way too, with every cunt now under 40 being a “Millennial” usually with the word “snowflake” preceding it.
Simp, incel, paedo, the list just goes on and on. We now live in a world where being 26 and dating a 24 year old makes you a paedophile… Are you shy? Must be an incel. Think some girl is cute? WhY YoU sUcH a SiMp???
And now we have “fascist”. The buzzword of the moment, with everyone and their millennial granny inserting it into posts to get worthless internet points. Its already got to the point where we cant tell if someone really is a fascist, or if they just have a difference of opinion.
Taking Jimmy Kimmel off the air because of the things he said is fascism. But shooting Charlie Kirk to silence him, isnt fascism. That was a consequence of his actions
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Charlie Kirk being shot for the things he said is fascism. But taking Jimmy Kimmel off the air for the things he said, isnt fascism. That was the consequence of his actions.
Everywhere you go, people are making shit up to fit their narrative. And its all well and true to say “I know better”, but the point is that most other people dont. Or worse, do, but dont care. And that, dear reader, is the cause of so much of this culture war that now spills into real life, getting fucking morons like Trump elected not once, but twice.
Uh lots to unpack here. One of you get called a imp because you’re shy you just ran into bullies. Bullies have always used words to belittle people it’s what makes them bullies.
IF you are repeatedly getting called a simp by multiple individuals in different settings, the common denominator is you. Seek mental health help.
Your post comes across as whiny. 2+2=4. Sure, many people could come around and tell me 2+2=5 but at the end of the day it’s my choice on who to believe. And they are still idiots lmao. This watering down isn’t a thing. Their actions still are creating irrational and irresponsible policies that put many lives in danger.
ffs, you cant actually be that fucking monumentally dumb? You simply cant.
Boomer, simp, incel, fascist, nazi etc are all buzzwords that people are using NOT AGAINST ME!!!
I know you want to make it about me, cos your argument is that fucking dog shit. But Im talking about in general. Ie not me.
My post comes across as whatever you want to be because youre cunt, who needs to defect from the fact you are one of the untold millions of utter pricks out there bullying anyone who doesnt suck your echo chamber cock.
YOU are the problem. YOU are the reason people look to Trump and MAGA. YOU are the reason everything fucking sucks.
Although by some coincidence, the people we call fascist tend to spend alot of their time wishing alot of harm on all sorts of people they hate.
Am I becoming fascist?
Do other ethnic groups fill you with a mix of fear and hatred? Are you more comfortable being told what to do and think? Do you idolize the Military? Does “the enemy” seem both weak and strong to you?
