I don’t even get what the reasoning for not having gays in the military is. That they’ll be too busy making out to fight? Nonsense! The Spartans (iirc) encouraged homosexual relationships because you’re much more likely to fight harder to protect your lover who is fighting right beside you.
Thebes! Spartans were mostly martial posers, the Sacred Band of Thebes were the true homosexual super soldiers
gUYs NeEd tO tRusT tHeIr bUdDieS!11!
As long as you can ruck your weight and send the hate real soldiers don’t care.
Sincerely, a combat veteran.
There probably has to be some level of cohesion (keeping it together in combat - when you’re under fire, you don’t want your mates to wet their pants and run away), but I would assume that’s established through drill and general camaraderie, not through romantic or sexual entanglement.
You’re right. Fun fact though, there’s a certain percentage of people who have to pack extra pants for a patrol. And nobody cares as long as they keep fighting.
The reason was that it was seen as immoral, that straight soldiers would be too uncomfortable to trust them, and that the men would be too effeminate. It was also just an easy target.
There is some merit to that, but not quite in the way you may believe. Their “boot camp” (that didn’t actually teach much in the way of combat, just enforced the Spartiates’ social hierarchy) did involve the senior children abusing the younger ones (including sexually), creating a shared suffering and an incentive to become the fucker rather than the fucked.
You’re more likely to fight harder alongside the people that made it through the same awful shit as you did.
If you’d like more info, there’s a historian’s blog I very much recommend who wrote a series on Sparta.
From the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy:
The policy prohibited people who “demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts” from serving in the armed forces of the United States, because their presence “would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability”.
The Sacred Band has entered the chat
One of the only things that would have made me vaguely proud of my service … except the entire time I was in was covered by Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and my best friend in uniform Told rather than deploy with our unit. The part that makes me sad was he wasn’t comfortable enough with our peers, and he was absolutely right to be scared of them.
Yeah, the Cold War’s demand for ideological purity really did a number on the military. When I got to the 101st everyone was still debating the guy who murdered someone with a sword because he thought he was gay. It’s an absolutely ridiculous amount of FUD. I will say after 2003 it seemed like our priorities realigned to caring about getting the job done.
That’s wild to me coming from queer communities that still have stories and legacies coming from the WWII soldiers who went halfway around the world, realized something about themselves and then decided not to go back to the middle of nowhere and marry someone because their family wanted them to. Like I’m aware of how it happened, but it’s still weird
Oooh, I know that face! The stockings! Riiight, admiring the stockiiings;) ;) ;) Yepyep, I, too, am a stocking enjoyer;) ;) ;)
Stockings are definitely supposed to be enjoyed
Thoroughly and minutiously!
Are those real stockings? During WWII, almost all the synthetic fabrics being produced were being used for the war effort, which made stockings incredibly difficult or impossible to find, so women took to drawing on the “seam” with makeup instead. Maybe they’re inspecting how good of a job they did at faking them?
One of the ways they got women to enlist was to give them first shot at the small supply of real stockings. For their uniforms of course. Definitely not to be used for date night or making that horrid Sally jealous.
