This will die down eventually: at the moment there are many different independent ideas of how to build federated reddit alternatives that have yet to really be tested for how the underlying systems and moderation tools scale. In due time there’s going to be a standard application or at least standard exchange format between the different services, that just doesn’t happen right now since all methods are really new and now get “suprise load tested”.
That’s also why you experience outages and Beehaw explicitly asking people not to join: everything went from “fringe techdemo” to “the internet is moving off of reddit” in a matter of less than a week (same thing is true with app support) and everything is at its breaking point: from the underlying technology to new communities appearing in a matter of hours to days (usually with less experienced moderators).
I just joined .world because it sounded the most logical
“Oh it says world, that probably means i can see things all over the world”
I’m not disappointed
Select “all” rather than “local” and you’ll see content from all federated instances.
Thanks, SpaceNoodle <3
I selected it by default in my settings, but it keeps going back to “Local”
Yeah I think this is a bug in the web code but a fix has already been made for the next release.
kbin is working much better than lemmy on that front.
I agree that kbin is less buggy. However there’s something in the user interface that confuses me a little, mostly with the way pictures are placed in the feeds.
But it’s more polished and theres a great “feel” to it. Can’t wait to see where it goes.
Yeah you can definitely tell kbin was made by more of a design guy.
Can you see Lemmy on kbin?
Yep, hello from Kbin! It’s all federated together and in the same format. Kbin was designed to be directly compatible with Lemmy.
Keep in mind Beehaw defederated us so no communications between them and lemmyworld
Why did Beehaw defederate?
Edit: Nevermind, found it: https://beehaw.org/post/567170
i was confused for a little while too, created a few accounts and was floundering. the setup will be different for everyone but currently i have a tab open with mastodon and i’m following a few seperate instances there. then i have lemmy.world also open and i have stuff from different lemmy instances and kbin coming in to my feed.
Reading an image, page refreshes, lose image. I wish I could turn off the auto-refresh or reduce the interval.
If you go to the next page, it stops doing that. Also doesn’t do it on the Jerboa app.
Yes, this is so annoying!
They’re working on removing this. When you read about the dev “stripping out websockets” that’s part of what’s changing.
Where did you see this? GitHub?
Yes I forget exactly where but it was on GitHub
Beehaw told me not to join unless I could say specific groups I wanted to join. Nah from me.
You can follow any lemmy or kbin community from one account on any instance
Except comms from beehaw if you’re on .world; leave those and join another similar comm if you are.
Why doesn’t it work between beehaw and lemmy world?
Beehaw recently defederated lemmy.world out of concern for not being able to moderate such a huge user base with current mod tools. Learn more here
Tldr: beehaw comms are gonna be dead soon when viewed through lemmy.world
Way to kill a good thing… Back to reddit I guess.
Why instantly back to reddit? There are many more alternatives.
People these days be like: 1 sign of trouble: give up
Because it’s a systematic problem. It’s not something that can be fixed somehow by better tech or something. So at best we will eventually get one central instance of Lemmy… which is essentially a worse version of Reddit with only Communists and Techy people.
Beehaw admins literally said that they only defederated because existing mod tools weren’t fine-grained enough to address the issue otherwise. Mastodon already has those tools, and in fact went through a similar temporary defederation issue.
So, yes, it can definitely be solved by better tech, and already has… just not on lemmy.
Oi, I’m moderate af and am only techy to people who don’t know the difference between a laptop and… the larger one!
I do like a community that values a free, open and decentralised Internet, Reddit used to, but seems to have lost that.
Because it’s a systematic problem. It’s not something that can be fixed somehow by better tech or something. So at best we will eventually get one central instance of Lemmy… which is essentially a worse version of Reddit with only Communists and Techy people.
Well beehaw defederated Lemmy.world so you won’t see that stuff. Well they won’t see yours anyways so you won’t get to interact with them.
It’s an interesting situation, defederating.
Defederated instances can see the instance that cut them off and can comment, but they (beehaw in this case) won’t see their comments. However, if they refederate later when better mod tools exist, all the comments will (be able to) flood in, right?
If so, they’ll need to be able to handle it in some way that enables them to maintain compatibility with their instance ethos.
I came up with what I think is a pretty good explanation when trying to explain the beehaw fiasco to a friend last night, here it is copy pastad
Think of it like cell service
You have TMobile, I have Google fi
But we can still talk because they both use 4g
But then Google fi blocked TMobile so I can’t talk to you anymore
And if I want to be able to talk to people on TMobile and Google fi I would have to transfer my service to att
But also, the service is free to setup and run on your own
So instead of 3 or 4 big cell carriers there are thousands
Also, some added info: Also, with the fediverse, when you transfer service you can take your data with you Just like you can take your text messages and phone number with you Fediverse meaning all the apps that work this way, like mastodon and
Lemmy(at least thosetwoone have data transfers I think)Edit: can’t transfer account
You can’t move your account to another instance atm if that’s what you mean.
Oh. Thanks for clearing that up for me
So how do we know we’re choosing a good instance?
I think we don’t for now. I think we just have to accept we might have to change instances once in a while, especially while things settle.
Exact same feel but with Boost for Reddit
Relay for me. I really hope that someone ends up implementing some kind of translation layer for the reddit API that would encourage the existing reddit apps to supper Lemmy.
That would be a spectacular idea.
And I’m happy to see another Relay user. They seemed to be left out of the lists even though they’ve got a fantastic app
Relay said they are going to try $3/month subscription model.
I definitely got my money’s worth out of Relay Pro, but I can’t justify the subscription.
Users should be getting paid for contributing to reddit, not paying for the privilege. We create the data that reddit gets its revenue from.
Relay user here. I love Relay. Dbrady is the best. And I have no problem supporting him at $3 a month, but f* reddit after all this. I’m not giving them a penny.
Yeah my problem with the 3 bucks is that 2.50 of it is going straight to reddit’s rent seeking. I hope it works out with dBrady and relay, but it will be without me.
I’m not even convinced at $3/mo he won’t be in the red.
kbin and lemmy federate with each other. You only need one account and you can view posts from any instance*
- Except for those that choose to defederate, like beehaw. But that’s their choice to make a walled-off community.
At first it was
“You only need one account, it’s like an email, they all federate with each other”
I was reeeaally excited for the prospect. (I still am btw)
But now it’s more like
“your account here can see that instance and that one too – but it’s buggy so sometimes it takes time to sync – anyway you cannot see that one for that one you need a distinct account-- oh and if that instance decide to defederate then you’ll need another account for there too”.
I’m still into the Fediverse, it’s just we still have things to figure out.
The good thing is I think most of these issues are a design issue that can be solved client side rather than fundamental flaws in the architecture.
For example, if you go to comment on a Beehaw thread and the app just showed some kind of prompt, e.g. “Sign-up to Beehaw or an instance federated with Beehaw to comment on this sublemmy” I think it would feel pretty straightforward.
All the confusion with how federation works is something a well designed app could explain to users as they explore. Obviously it will just take time for the platform to mature to this stage.
just pick one, you only need one, and you see posts from the other 3 from that one source. hi from kbin, viewing and commenting from kbin right now
If OPs only account was on Beehaw, we wouldn’t see this post or am I missing something?
We would not, because Beehaw users cannot access the lemmy.world instance.
Who said you need an account on each one?
Something something multiple instances (if you register with Beehaw, you can’t access threads to Lemmy/lemmy.ml)…
just means screw beehaw, everything else seems accessible no point in catering to a single instance
Just create an account on an instamce that federates both lemmy.world and beehaw, like the one I’m currently on.
Also lemmy.fmhy.ml
I need a damn explain it to me like I’m five for how all this works. My brain can wrapped it up into neighborhoods or space fleets but the in an out communications are the part I’m missing.
The Fediverse is like a group of interconnected neighborhoods, each representing a different social platform or community. Just as you might have neighbors on your street who interact and share things over time, these communities can communicate and exchange ideas. These neighborhoods may differ in size or focus, but they all exist within a larger universe - just like planets orbiting around a sun. In this case, think of our star system as something like Friendica (the first step towards the modern fediverse) and Diaspora* (itself originally based on Friendica). And just as there might be traffic or communication issues between planetary systems, there could be friction between distinct Fediverse networks. But ultimately, we’re still talking about a united whole here! Finally, imagine spaceships zipping back and forth through space linking up these distinct points of interest - say hello to the protocols bridging connections between decentralized nodes known as “federation” today. It’s all connected!
It’s the defederation I’m still confused. That ship (Beehaw) left the fleet and locked down it’s ship. What are the communication rules?
I’m just sticking to lemmy.world for now. It doesn’t have all the communities I want yet but it seems more open than the others. I don’t like walled gardens or gated communities. If I wanted a platform with power hungry, elitist moderators creating circle jerk in-groups, I would have stayed on Reddit.
You know you can connect to any community on another server regardless of your instance right?
Not necessarily. As someone else pointed out in this thread, beehaw is currently set up so that Lemmy.world users can view and comment on posts on beehaw communities, but those comments can only be seen by other lemmy.world users. Individual instances can restrict what users from other instances can do.
