i know, but we need to capture the anger of the people that is motivating these rwnjs. because it is us vs them, but these folks are being lied to about who “them” is. this could be an opportunity to correct that, to point at this and say “the reasoning is flawed, the conclusion is flawed, but the anger was already there because there was something real to be angry about.” they are having their anger exploited. they feel rage, but they’re being told it’s immigrants! where’s the rage come from? the reality that they are being fucked over by the system.
I think first we’ll need to calm the anger before anyone can listen, let alone think through the evidence. Otherwise when anything pops off, we’re going to end up with the wrong people in positions of power.
you are not going to calm anything down. the anger is righteous. it is merely misdirected and manipulated by fascists. we can’t calm the anger but we can make it work for the people instead.
What I’m saying is people don’t think straight when they’re angry. Yes the anger is righteous, but if you haven’t noticed, they’re blaming outside entities, not their own.
what do you think i mean when i say to use their anger? i am maintaining we redirect the outrage. its like you ignored everything i said about having it work for us as opposed to against us.
I am saying people are blinded by anger and dig in if you try to change their minds. They have to calm enough to read and critically evaluate information properly. They even reject their own Western MSM to dig in.
A quick flame or slow burn? Are you putting food on the grill while flames shoot out or when the coal looks lifeless but is red-hot inside?
No I’m not ignoring anything. Are you missing anything?
it isn’t about trying to change their minds, it’s about directing their anger to the correct source. it isn’t holding up a mirror and going “you are to blame.” there would be empathy with the common laborer exploited by these fascists they vote for. you can appeal to people without challenging them directly.
you underestimate the average person’s adherence to strict ideology. a lot of people have a mixture of beliefs without realizing it and tend to focus on the more extreme forms the Right has shoveled them. it is definitely possible to unify people through initial common ground that pacifies rather than agitates, like higher wages: practically every LABORER is in favor of that.
i know, but we need to capture the anger of the people that is motivating these rwnjs. because it is us vs them, but these folks are being lied to about who “them” is. this could be an opportunity to correct that, to point at this and say “the reasoning is flawed, the conclusion is flawed, but the anger was already there because there was something real to be angry about.” they are having their anger exploited. they feel rage, but they’re being told it’s immigrants! where’s the rage come from? the reality that they are being fucked over by the system.
we can use this to speak to them.
I think first we’ll need to calm the anger before anyone can listen, let alone think through the evidence. Otherwise when anything pops off, we’re going to end up with the wrong people in positions of power.
you are not going to calm anything down. the anger is righteous. it is merely misdirected and manipulated by fascists. we can’t calm the anger but we can make it work for the people instead.
What I’m saying is people don’t think straight when they’re angry. Yes the anger is righteous, but if you haven’t noticed, they’re blaming outside entities, not their own.
what do you think i mean when i say to use their anger? i am maintaining we redirect the outrage. its like you ignored everything i said about having it work for us as opposed to against us.
I am saying people are blinded by anger and dig in if you try to change their minds. They have to calm enough to read and critically evaluate information properly. They even reject their own Western MSM to dig in.
A quick flame or slow burn? Are you putting food on the grill while flames shoot out or when the coal looks lifeless but is red-hot inside?
No I’m not ignoring anything. Are you missing anything?
it isn’t about trying to change their minds, it’s about directing their anger to the correct source. it isn’t holding up a mirror and going “you are to blame.” there would be empathy with the common laborer exploited by these fascists they vote for. you can appeal to people without challenging them directly.
That’s exactly what I’m saying.
This is not what I’m saying.
you underestimate the average person’s adherence to strict ideology. a lot of people have a mixture of beliefs without realizing it and tend to focus on the more extreme forms the Right has shoveled them. it is definitely possible to unify people through initial common ground that pacifies rather than agitates, like higher wages: practically every LABORER is in favor of that.