Gonna keep buying Xbox controllers I suppose then :\ Would love to throw money at Valve for theirs, but they aren’t making it easy and I am not going to join a waitlist for a piece of plastic lol. Hopefully in the future they’ll have some for sale
Plenty of 3rd party options with better tech and lower price are available than Xbox controllers.
Got any examples? I’ve been shopping around but can’t find anything I’m terribly happy with
In other comments I’ve already pointed to 8bitdo https://www.8bitdo.com/
Their Ultimate 2 series of controllers have a stupid naming scheme so you have to be careful if you go with one of those. They have a Nintendo compatible variant called the Ultimate 2 Bluetooth controller but all the other ones also come with a USB dongle and a physical switch on the back to enable bluetooth mode (they refer it to Android compatibility then). The low end one is the Ultimate 2c and even that comes with hall effect sensors. The Nintendo compatible one also works with PCs but in Bluetooth mode its ID is Pro Controller and the A/B X/Y buttons are swapped Nintendo style (in Steam it’s a option to reverse that). I have the Nintendo one because it’s better than a Nintendo Pro Controller and a couple of my friends bought the 2c when it was on a ludicrous sale on AliExpress for 10 Euro.
The latest version is the Ultimate 3E which is officially licensed for Xbox. 130 Euro is a bit steep for me. The 8Bitdo Ultimate 2 Wireless Controller costs half the price and the 2c is half of that for a relatively minor loss in features (no RGB LEDs, hall effect instead of TMR sticks, no charging cradle).
A friend of mine has KingKong 2 Pro Controller by Gulikit which is not a couple of years old. He’s only a casual gamer but so far he’s happy with it. I cannot speak for the quality of the latest Gulikit controller.
8bitdo comes to mind
8bitdo Ultimate 2, do really watch the product name though, because a lot of their similar named controllers are completely different (8bitdo Ultimate 2C for example)
Why wouldn’t you join a wait-list? It’s not like it costs anything, they’re just sending you an email.
Aside from the brand is it really that much better than the 8bitdo or Xbox alternatives?
I would still be using an old wired Xbox 360 controller if it didn’t give up the goat.
It’s an amazing pc controller. The motion contols, touch pads, joysticks, and haptics are all amazing.
The only downside it the steam requirement.
Requirement? How so? Traditionally you can Mao any old controller for a game manually if you must. It pairs with my desktop on Bluetooth no problem.
Requirement? How so? Traditionally you can Mao any old controller for a game manually if you must. It pairs with my desktop on Bluetooth no problem.
Are Gamers Nexus and other lying when they said that the controller acts are mouse without Steam? I don’t have one but that’s exactly how Steam Deck’s controls work.
It definitely does this. But why would that matter. The computer sees joy sticks and buttons. You can map accordingly?
Yes, you can hit a shortcut on it to switch to controler input mode outside of steam
I think there was software released from one of the Valve developers a week after the controller released, that makes it possible to use the controller outside of the Steam environment.
It requires Steam only for the onscreen keyboard.
It does not require steam
i actually end up using it more than i thought i would. if i am just casually browsing the web, i kinda just use the steam controller instead of my mouse now.
If you’re using it like an Xbox controller, it doesn’t matter which one you buy. Steam Controller is about all the inputs that Xbox (or others) don’t have, such as trackpads, touch sensitive sticks and gyroscope.
This combination is unique on the market and I wouldn’t play most games with a controller without. Especially first person games.I don’t have one but my friend does and he says the touchpads make it the only option he’s willing to put up with for pc gaming any more.
Depends on what you play. IIRC like the original steam controller, it’s better at playing non controller games than any other controller is. If you are just using it for games with full controller support anyway then I doubt there is as much of a difference.
I got 2 Xbox series controllers. The joy sticks are way better on the steam controller. And there’s more buttons. I think I still prefer the Xbox controls layout but I get why valve did it the way they did because of the touch pads, and its such a minor complaint and I’d rather have the extra control options the steam controller offers.
Well, on the one hand… having more demand than you can actually fulfill is the kind of problem most busineses would like to have…
Or they are taking a loss on every deck, controller, sold and we don’t even have a price on the desktop.
Valve is taking a red bloody bath and slowing the bleeding.
Why should they take a loss on the controller? There is no RAM or other parts affected by the price hikes in it. Also they announced the price only shortly before launch. Why should they have chosen a price that does not cover the costs? This does not make any sense.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that valve released a brand new controller and decided, what out of the goodness of their hearts, to sell it for a loss?
Businesses sell things for a loss all the time, it’s never out of the goodness of their hearts. It’s a strategy to gain market share or to sell other products for a higher margin. Every supermarket you’ve ever been to has products for sale at a loss. Doesn’t make it a good deal for the customer either, just an accounting reality.
So… no evidence?
Yeah but this isn’t really the same as the Costco hot dog. It’s a product that’s more expensive than the alternatives (though they don’t have track pads) and steam is the defacto pc gaming software. Other massive companies can barely compete and have to do stuff like epic where they give games out for free (exactly the kind of tactic you’re talking about). My sarcastic comment about the kindness of their heart is because I personally can’t see another reason to do that. That’s why I asked for any evidence - an interview, a tweet from someone who would know, an article, anything other than a hunch.
sarcastic comment about the kindness of their heart is because I personally can’t see another reason to do that
Exactly you can’t personally see it so i explained it to you lol
As someone who works in retail, even our best sales at our store will still make us around a 10% profit. Our normal GP for items sits around 30% to 40%, so while it is less than that we almost never actually sell things for a real loss.
Yes but valve already has a monopoly on the PC gaming market. Usually companies sell things at a loss to attract you to them so you buy other things while you get the good deal.
In valve’s case, we’re already in the store buying their games. There’s no reason for them to sell it at a loss, because it won’t attract people to steam.
Theres nobody out there saying “wow I would be a PC gamer playing on steam if I had a steam specific controller.”
Maybe that’s the case for the steam machines and steam frame coming up, but I kinda doubt it.
They could’ve sold it at twice the price I’d still would’ve bought one tho?
Assuming they’re actually moving a lot of units.
I mean… even if they’re not moving a lot of units, its still broadly a good problem to have -> considerably more people than you thought, want to buy the thing you sell.
So at bare minimum you’ve over delivered in terms of product design.
The extremely obvious capitalist response to that would be to raise prices on that thing. Win win, right? The extra profits go toward more capex to make more future production.
… But they haven’t done that.
They haven’t done that because they care about their image more than their profit margins on this particular product.
And/or because in the current environment… basically, the cost/reward on spending more capex isn’t worth the reputation hit.
The capex spending to meaningfully ramp up production would be so expensive, that it’d end up being a net loss, in terms of reputation damage.
… At least this is my semi-informed guess.
They are not. Sold out in 30 minutes. Lol.
You can sell out a loot of units in 30 minutes…
Bold of you to assume that you can’t sell out hundreds of thousands, if not millions of units in 30 minutes.
This man has never heard of bots
And bots don’t have to pay for goods or what are you trying to say?
Well the bots got the lion’s share, for sure. They’ll get the machines and frames too.
Well, at least it’s an update. I was just about to post in here if anyone had received a purchase link from their reservation yet. I made mine on May 10th; maybe that means I’ll be in the “this year” batch.
You can now see the estimated delivery date on the Steam Controller page!
I made my reservation in the first minutes when it was possible and clicked the buying link as soon as I got one sent. The controller was delivered 10 days ago. I am located in Germany.
I made my reservation request on May 8th at 11am, and I got my purchase invitation on June 15th at 9pm. Hope that helps.
I made my reservation on May 9th and it shows December.
same here.
I didn’t think to reserve it before the 12th. So mine says 2027. I just thought they’d meet demand.
Or maybe you’ll get the link tomorrow and it will ship alarmingly fast like mine! ¯\(ツ)/¯
Yup, I got mine on day one (spam that F5 ppl) and it was here on the second day, surprised me, pleasantly, they said a week.
I can wait. There’s no rush
The longer the controller has been out, the less hyped I have become about it. At this point, I’m probably gonna end up in the future buying some other controller and calling it good.
Definitely need something better than my PowerA switch controller since I don’t like how the triggers and bumpers are all or nothing, but I’ve basically lost all hype for a Steam controller.
You can look into the 8BitDo Ultimate 2 Wireless. It is what I use, comes with a charging dock, TMR sticks, and I’m sure some other things you might like.
I liked it so much I got two more for my friends who really liked how the sticks felt. It was $60 when I got them all. :-)
In was looking into something like an 8BitDo or seeing how good Turtle Beach is.
I’m sorry I didn’t realize before, but happy cake day! 🎂
I haven’t used Turtle Beach since the 360, so I can’t give you much there. I’ve had the 8BitDo since before Christmas last year and it is solid!
The dock holds the USB receiver so it works both on Fedora and Windows when I switch between them. Steam seems to recognize it as its own thing, and if you hold the B button when taking it off the dock or using the middle power button, it’ll switch to SDL mode and allow you to map the back paddles and the extra top number buttons to whatever you want! Plus the gyro stuff, but I don’t use that.
Hopefully that helps you a little more in your search! LTT (LinusTechTips) did a video on YouTube about a few third party controllers. You might watch that also to see if one of the controllers they show in that video suits your needs more! :-)
I forgot I even set cake day to this day. Not gonna lie, it’s probably a random date I set because I don’t want other knowing my real cake day.
Thanks for the info, too.
It’s a really good controller, if you want trackpads/backbuttons/gyro/etc it’s hard to beat. That said, it is just a controller. If you don’t need those features you can definitely find other options.
People that require a controller for their living room pc are the target market. Or those that want to prioritize inputs over anything else.
Otherwise, there are many cheaper alternatives. There are also many more premium controller out their.
Scarcity may have saved you from holding a awkward symmetrical sticks controller with two giant trackpads that need SteamInput to be useful.
The deck and this thing will be garbage for couch play. You ain’t wrong though.
What makes you say that?
My wife uses her Steam Controller for playing games on the sofa via Steam Link on our Apple TV. It’s perfect for it.
I’ve been playing tons of games with this on my couch, currently playing RE9, and I love it. Trackpad + gyro is an amazing combo for aiming with a controller. I’ve been wanting this exact controller for years since I got my Steam Deck andit was worth it, especially for couch play.
“So behind”
They’re dealing with exorbitant demand during a time when tech and hardware prices are skyrocketing. They’re doing quite well given the circumstances, imo.
I reserved on May 15th, and mine says 2027 ship date. “Some” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that title.
Seems valve really cocked up the launch if the first orders are going to take more than 6 months to fill.
They got the first shipment of manufactured controllers - one estimate is around 40k based on some import data - and sold them out in minutes, then started taking backorders.
I reserved mine 15 minutes after the reservations opened and I’m not getting it till September
There’s 3 possible categories, and you got the earliest. The other two are “December” and “2027”.
I reserved maybe an hour after they opened up and I got mine the other day.
“Behind”
100% what this actually means is valve is only making them in limited to supply to lengthening the time they take losses.
Valve ain’t making money on decks, they ain’t going to make money on the controllers, and they are going to take a bloody red bath on the machines.
Y’all need to read between the lines. It’s a controller. It ain’t hard to make.
Are they making loss with each sales? I’d imagine the $100 price point mean they earn quite a bit.
I doubt they are earning as much as you think.
They jam packed it full of shit that nobody needs like capacitive Joysticks, and capacitive touchpads on the bottom.
I…don’t know how much they earn, but they probably doesn’t sell this as loss.
They increased the price of the steam deck quite a bit. Doubt they’re not making money off of it.
You clearly haven’t watched the other billionaires run at losses for years.
Steam is very happy to lose money on consoles to keep their 30% cut and monopoly.
You’re forgetting that it’s just a computer, and can it can be reformatted, and you can install any OS on it to do anything with it. It’s not locked to the Steam Store in any way. It’s not like a console where they can sell it at a loss and make money on games later because console companies make it impossible for you to use it as a normal computer. Steam does not.
And yet someone who buys a steam branded computer is specifically highly likely to buy more games from steam. Yes, feel free to buy a cheaper computer with the same specs and never buy from steam ever. You’re not the target of this product.
It doesn’t matter who they’re “targeting”. If they sell it at a loss because it’s more powerful than it costs, people who don’t care at all about Steam will purchase it as a computer to run emulators or normal software. They are not going to do this.
That has nothing to do with my point. I’m saying that, given the current price (and age), of the steam deck, I doubt that they’re losing money on it.
I disagree. They already had thin margins, they started it themselves. Then prices went up and they sold at a loss. The recent increase was because they couldn’t take more of a bath. This excludes the tens of millions of dollars they have had to pump in you Linux.
I have no doubt until I see data otherwise they are breaking even at best.
What they “pumped” into linux (proton, actually) is a general investment for the future, not something that shpuld be taken into account when discussing the Steam Deck hardware cost, specifically.
You’re also assuming that they didn’t already had purchased the steam deck components at a lower cost when everything started to get more expensive.
Basically you’re making up a relatively plausible but nevertheless imaginary scenario with 0 proof/sources.
I think people are forgetting that the steam machine is going to ship with a controller as well. I think they have to split their controller production between people buying just the controller and the amount of steam machines they are producing as they get ready to launch that.
I’m sure it’s a great controller, but for me personally it’s just way too expensive. Also, I’m never gonna use the trackpads outside of a Steam Deck.
I’d consider my current controller (GameSir Supernova) to be the best one I’ve ever used. For the price of one Steam Controller I could get 2.5 of those. It also comes with a very convenient charging station, which you can plug the receiver into, and then it’s a 2-in-1.
I rarely criticize Valve, but their recent pricing is out of this world. I have no idea what their profit margins are on these devices, but I just cannot imagine them being competitive.
As much as I love my og LCD Deck, I’d never buy it at the current price. Same for the controller.
The current Deck pricing is probably out of their hands, memory prices are crazy. It’s not just Valve, the Lenovo legion go handhelds went up by about $400 for the 16GB models and $600-700 for the 32GB models. The Asus ROG/Xbox handhelds haven’t increased in price yet, but I suspect that probably means they either overestimated demand or were able to negotiate a fixed price contract before prices got crazy. Either way they’ll probably shoot up soon as well.
The controller has less reason to be expensive, although it does have several premium features beyond your normal controller. They priced it between something like an standard xbox controller ($65) and an xbox elite controller ($150-200), so in that context it doesn’t seem that bad.
Paper launch.
I completely forgot about the reservation and only got it in 4 hours later. Estimated is December 2026.
I suspect that part of the problem is that they seem to have the steam machine bundled with the controller, or at least that seems to be an option. Presumably they’re keeping some controllers back so they can fulfil those orders.
Oh they’re showing estimates now? Let’s check.
:(
I put my order in about 30 minutes after the reservation queue went live and I also show a September estimated date. I’m interested, when did you get your reservation in?
I don’t remember for sure, I think it was early afternoon that day?
Edit: Got the confirmation email from my reservation 1:10pm May 8th
Did everyone get a confirmation email?
I didn’t get any confirmation
Might want to check the status on the reservation page then
But yes you should’ve gotten an email
Could also maybe ask support to resend you the email if possible
That’s a good idea. I can do that. Thanks
If it helps. That is the “earliest estimate”
Pretty sure, every controller they have is going to go out with the Frame or the Machine from now til then. Need to justify the (almost guaranteed) $1000+ MSRP.
i got the same estimate and i placed my reservation like an hour after they opened :c
Made my reservation just a bit after 1am on the 9th… :'(
Man this sucks. Not angry with Valve, it seems they far, FAR underestimated demand, but with the entire industry being on fire I also sort of understand. I’m a computer guy and when people want to buy hardware from me I spiral in to a dark place because it’s practically impossible and my prices are so huge they’d be insane to even speak to me again.
Just “2027” for me. I was no slouch on reserving, either.
Edit: wait I’m an idiot, this says reserve now?! I definitely reserved!
Edit 2:
I did reserve, I got the chance to buy it 6 days ago, it expired 3 days ago, I never saw it. That sucks. Didn’t even get a push notification on the steam app. Just an email I missed.
