I have a lot of things I want to say, but… never mind
https://thehill.com/homenews/6056216-gen-z-trump-voter-regret-midterm-clipping/
They voted to bring,
Suffering to the whole world,
Trillions spent to hurt
Doesn’t matter what anyone says at this point. A lot of the damage is done.
Anyone regardless of generation who voted for him might be sorrowful now but they haven’t changed. They’d absolutely vote for Trump again.
Gen Z (and everyone else) needs to learn that they are stronger as Unaffiliated Independents. No candidate wins based on their party base. The winner is ALWAYS the candidate who won the independent vote.
Stay independent, and make them earn your vote every time.
Just because morons who flip-flop back and forth between neoliberalism and fascism tend to swing elections doesn’t mean you’ll be stronger if you join them. If you regret your Trump vote, cool, but I also see what you voted for, so you’re not my ally.
If I am going to put my support between of of America’s two parties, there’s a right and a wrong answer. Trump voters objectively chose wrong.
Ideally you would actually vote for an independent third party, but we see how the Green Party works in America, so it still just ends up being half a vote for fascism…
Your Democrats aren’t perfect either. They don’t undo what the right does just keeps it the same. Blind loyalty is stupid and you guys need other choices. Since your left part seems to be going along pretty nicely with what the bright is doing.
Then they should join the DSA or some adjacent worker party. Telling the dems you won’t vote for them because of X will get the response of “the GOP will punish you for not voting for us”
Unaffiliated should be mandatory. If else, cunts like musk and thiel are going to get into the game directly. Or their puppets.
Fuck Gen Z people who voted for him!! Brainrotten TikTokers
Despite what Rogan told you , Trump was never the answer.
Its funny that you say that. I was restocking on creatine at the grocery store at the beginning of the week and a gen z kid started up a conversation with me and we got on the topic of AG1 being a scam and he mentioned that Joe Rogan is an idiot bc he pushes that neuro gum crap but can’t remember simple things all the time.
Gen Z this, boomers that.
Fuck that noise. Any article that mentions a generation is just irrelevant, click-bait garbage.
well said.
every group had someone’s toe in this mess. pointless to point fingers now.
Exactly, its unnecessary and follows through on the inherent ageism. But it is to show that 31% young people (above voting age) regret their choices over choosing Trump - this is the most influential minority in this case, unlike commonly believed.
Gen alpha is quite possibly also anti-trump, so when they become of voting age they’ll have a much greater disapproval rating.
Trump will be dead by then (Yay!)
I’m cynical so I’ll believe this once the results of the midterms are announced.
I’m also cynical, and have no faith that there won’t be any tampering with the election results.
I’ve been burned by headlines before. Hard agree. I’ll believe it when the results are in
The article itself contradicts its headline. It says 31% of Gen Z regret voting for Trump, but that means 69% don’t regret it - and it gets worse for the other generations.
Thirty-one percent of Generation Zers who voted for President Trump say they regret it, a recent Navigator poll reports.
That would mean 69% of Gen Z who voted for Trump did not regret it. Not 69% of all Gen Z.
We have to realize that a majority of the USA is some combination of fascist, and dumb and strategize from there. Needing fascists to become non-fascist or dumb people to become smart at scale will ensure failure.
i like “hard agree”
Reminder that millennials voted more strongly for Trump than Gen Z.
Honestly, I think it was mostly just a matter of how bad Harris was as a candidate
This is why I blame the DNC equally for where we’re at now. Biden should’ve bowed out after two years, we should’ve gotten a primary for 2024. They completely screwed over the younger base, who were still pissed about what they did to Bernie in 2016. Biden won by narrow margin in 2020.
And let’s be real, Biden didn’t win as much as Trump lost. Trump fucking up covid is why Biden got elected.
This… even my own dad who voted for Trump refused to vote for him in 2020…. I think he sat out or voted third-party.
Unfortunately, he voted for Trump again in 2024. He’s a reasonable guy with a lot of things related to politics, yet still blames Obama for health care costs. We agree on things like how Newsom is an incompetent governor and is too spineless to call out Israel, and he’s all show. We’re both anti-government unions ( I argue it creates a privileged bureaucratic class that abuses public funds for pensions, and puts a tremendous burden on the state budget), but pro-private unions (ones that aren’t bought off by the establishment). I don’t get it all, it’s frustrating AF.
trump appeals to one thing. Every speech he gives, every facial expression he makes, every raise or drop in tone, conveys to people “I will hurt others. I will bring them pain and suffering.” And then, he couples that with “but not you, my friend”.
The only people who can “fall for trump”, are those who deeply want to hurt others. Deeply like, it is a main pillar of their being, even if it doesn’t show most of the time. “Others”, as in faceless groups, not specific people. My guess is that your dad previously always pointed that at “the right people” from your viewpoint.
Or, you don’t realize how much of that urge he has pointed at the people trump purports to want to destroy, POC, queer folks, women, bureaucracy. Regardless of which one of those roped him in, he doesn’t care enough about the others if he ignored that they were going to be destroyed too.
Festering, loved, tended hate kept deep inside a person, is what trump uses to get his votes.
The bizarre part is my dad doesn’t hate any particular group. Being a boomer, I wouldn’t say he’s openly accepting of lgbtq+, but he wouldn’t disown me or my kids if they came out. He’s Puerto Rican and they are often very economically conservative and pro-capitalism. He’s identifies politically as an independent and if a leftist has a good idea to his judgement, he’s for it.
He actually cringes and shakes his head at some of the stuff Trump is doing. But conservatives feel some compelling need to vote red no matter what.
He’s one of those people that say, “I had to bust my ass to support my family, I was miserable working 14 hours a day sometimes, so that’s what it takes to be successful and everyone else should have to do that too.”
As a queer person from a very red place, I can tell you that this is the most common. Very few people are open about the harm they want to inflict on the “other”. Most will “except” the queer or black skinned neighbor or cousin, but still promote their destruction through the people and policies they support. Then, when the gestapo come, they will turn and look away.
They are ashamed of the filth they culture in their bellies, and have not the spine to look at it. I prefer an open nazi to a neighbor who will turn away when they come for me.
You see it yourself. You just brought it up. Your father was abused by the system, and now he needs to see that abuse put onto others. He saw trump saying “I will hurt people” and he made every excuse to vote for it.
I’m still mad the DNC didn’t hold a primary election when they all got together in Chicago (I think that’s where they were I could be wrong) after Biden dropped out. Would have been way better optics.
Also still think Biden could have just stayed in and won because sexism and propaganda was way more effective against Harris than another old white guy. Harris not that inspiring for voter turn out either in my opinion.
He should never have ran for a second term. The moment he did, he never should have backed out. Terrible strategy all around.
I agree about the Biden thing. After the terrible debate all the campaign needed to do was invite Trump to a cage match fight. No one would have remembered the debate and we would have an old, but sane president with cancer instead of an old malignant narcissist.
You guys are delusional. You’re gaslighting yourselves. Of all democratic match ups against Trump, Biden polled the worst. Harris polled second worst. Biden would have lost even worse that Harris did. Then that debate… There was no recovering from that debate. You also had major donors refusing to donate. Harris was bad, Biden was worse.
Yeah, Harris was really that bad
It’s never the fault of the older generation in any media comparison
No, it’s never the fault of billionaires in any media comparison. If it serves the corporate interests, the media are happy to blame older people.
What I’ve learned in my 35 years of life is that you can’t stop stupid people, stupid people will never change, and stupid people will always win by sheer numbers
Education. What is missing is honest, good education.
Yes but we live in a world where more people will side with an angry asshole than a calm intellectual. The problem is systemic. Our society rewards greed, sociopathy, aggression, and punishes intelligence, progression, equality.
You can’t stop stupid people but you can get them on your side with enough convincing and promises. Which is exactly what MAGA did. Stupid doesn’t equal evil. It’s the evil people convincing the stupid to do their bidding by making them feel better about themselves, promising the world, and convincing them that the evil they are doing is a good thing. And there’s a difference between stupidity and ignorance. You can’t teach stupid, but you can teach the ignorant. That doesn’t sound like a big distinction but it is. Imagine how many of these people could have been the most highly educated people in the country but ended up stuck in rural Iowa working the family farm.
You can’t stop stupid people, yet you can promote clever ones.
Being smart and educated needs to be cool again, there has been enough championing of stupidity and the banal.
It may not have been vilified like it is now, but it was never cool.
You can absolutely stop stupid people.
Thirty-one percent of Generation Zers who voted for President Trump say they regret it
So 69% of Gen Z that voted for Trump don’t regret it.
And that’s the biggest demographic that regretted it. The demographic with the smallest proportion that don’t regret voting for Trump.
- 69% Gen Z
- 72% Millennials
- 80% Gen X
- 90% Baby Boomers
So the vast majority of Trump voters don’t regret it, according to this poll.
Of those that voted
This is my point with all elections it’s just abuse of statistics, these best examples I keep quoting is that a third voted for Brexit, a third voted for no Brexit, a third didn’t vote. Then magically a third becomes half, then becomes it’s what everyone voted for.
And Trump did not get half the votes, he got the most.
Hopefully the neo-Hitler Youth, aka Gen Z Republicans, won’t suddenly come down with a bad case of “Economic Anxiety”™ just before election day.
Even though many of them were likely affected by Trump’s first term, they couldn’t be trusted to make a good decision during the last election. They happily ate up the “Kamala will be worse” propaganda and learned nothing from it. There’s no telling what kind of thought-terminating cliche they might get trapped in just before the polls open.
Honestly I wish they die and get boner cancer
But that’s just me. If they also stay home then, ok
I am a late 90s Gen Z and all those chuds fell for the dark joke memes to far right Neo Nazi pipeline. I was into the stupid memes in high school but grew up and out of that by my senior year (2017). I quickly realized how dumb it was to elect meme president.
They love them Hot Pockets though.
Donald. Trump. Raped. Children.
You should be revolting in the street overthrowing this shit, not deciding who to vote for.
Other countries have jailed those in the Epstein files. You idiots celebrate it by keeping him in power and doing absolutely nothing.
Another foreigner from a country the size of a medium sized state, with absolutely no concept of the size of this country, thinks we can all go on a general strike one day, and overthrow the government. Or at least thinks it would be entertaining to watch us try, and fail.
They won’t be so entertained by the decades-long global Depression that would follow a collapse of the US economy, but they’ll just blame that on us as well, even though we were just following their bad advice.
The capital is 3000 miles away, in a fortress surrounded by swampland, with posted snipers. If you feel so strongly you should prevent your own capital class from investing in our stock market.
Nah, hatefully screaming generalizations onto the Internet to an audience that is almost certainly on your side ideologically is a better option.
The rest of the world stating we should do something are still leveraging their economies against the US Dollar and investing capital in our economy. If you want to help stop all of this, just cut us off completely. Stop trading with us, too. This regime can be brought to its knees by destroying the US economy and the rest of the world will no longer have to deal with the consequences of this bullshit.
Also, you can’t afford time off work to do anything actionable. And even if you could afford it by using accrued time off, the lack of worker protections means you’ll be unemployed as soon as you start doing anything too controversial.
It’s nice to say “just get into the streets” but the vast majority of Americans are one missed paycheck away from homelessness and food scarcity. The average American is basically living hand-to-mouth, (many are even putting groceries on credit) just to survive. Regime change sounds nice, but a revolt would take months or even years, and your kids will go hungry in a few days. The only Americans who really have the time and means to effect meaningful change are retired or rich enough to not need a job. And those two demographics overwhelmingly support the current regime, because they’re old and rich.
It can be difficult for Europeans to properly grasp just how dire the situation in America is. The average American would need to travel for at least three days just to reach the capitol. That’s a solid 3 days of driving, only stopping to eat and sleep. All while not being able to take time off of work. Saying “just go protest” is like telling someone in Madrid, Spain to travel to Warsaw, Poland just to protest against their “local” leadership.
“Oh but you can protest at the state level” I already hear some people typing. Great, my state capitol is 450 miles away. That’s not even an exaggeration, it takes a solid 8 hours of driving to reach my “local” capitol building. It’s not something the average person can just do on a whim, nor can they do it regularly. It’s not like the average person can just pop over to the capitol for a protest, then be back home in time for dinner.
Maybe go make some noise at the city level. But that’s not going to do anything at the national level (or even at the state level) because they’re far away and easy for the lawmakers to ignore.
Lastly, good luck revolting against the federal government. I’m sure the average gun-nut’s AR-15 will be extremely effective against drone strikes. Oh wait…
Don’t forget the drones
So lets all buy nerfed AK47s, AR15s and handguns. What do we strike first? City hall? Do we try to break into heavily fortified military bases? Travel sometimes thousands of miles to DC to wave weapons around and get mowed down by automatic gunfire, heavy artillery and tanks? Fight against the national guard and the entire police force? Get flanked every time by satellite surveillance? What or who the hell do we even go after first? Trash our own neighborhoods, which is what usually happens during periods of civil unrest?
Any brilliant military commanders want to coordinate this uprising and prepare an army five million strong for urban combat and gueriilla warfare? Hannibal Barca? Che Guevara? Are you there to help us accomplish this in one month?
All we have is acts of targeted political violence as an option. No one is stepping up to be a Luigi that ends up in prison or dead, because people usually care about their own lives.
If we want to be mowed down by automatic weapons sure. The people with the guns are the ones who said they would defend our constitution. The ones with the guns are his supporters. Us peaceful types are mostly unarmed.
Us peaceful types are mostly unarmed.
Which is exactly why you’re unable to act when the time requires it of you.
There’s a distinct difference between being peaceful and being harmless. You are not peaceful. You’re harmless.
Perhaps its time you reconsidered your stance on possessing the capability to defend yourself against your oppressors.
this may surprise you but the results of elections can determine whether people face legal consequences
Yes and no. I am still upset Biden didn’t hold Trump accountable for the insurrection.
You’re cute in assuming there will be midterm elections in the U.S.
The Nazis in charge are doing everything to skew those results and if history is any lesson for the future, impeaching the orange rapist will be almost as effective as watching paint dry based on his last impeachment.
But I mean, good luck, enjoy your tainted greens, your infected beef and giving all your 401k’s to six oligarchs and a rapist while they flock you at every turn.
Enjoy.
You are clueless, and have no idea how elections work.
so your solution is to help them do that
haha
i will not
What? Is critical thinking not taught in schools in America anymore?
I’m guessing it’s not. Jesus you guys are beyond fucked.
It is not. Conservatives have actively opposed the teaching of Critical Thinking Skills in the schools for decades.They think it leads to questioning authority, which it does. The problem is they think that’s a bad thing, when we think it’s a good thing.
Your only point in this thread is to shit over everyone. The US is highly divided. The people in this thread are largely the ones trying to fight against fascism. But no, you’ve decided to shit on everyone so you can feel better about yourself.
Bugger off. You’re not helping.
Mate, there are now 40 million of us up here that think logically the same as me. We’re tired of defending and being nice to you. Do something about it instead of bitching on social media. Look at our media if you get it. We’re no longer apologetic towards Americans. We’re frustrated and rightfully pissed off!
I’m sorry if this upsets you, but at some point you will actually have to fight your way out of this. Trump isn’t giving up power. If there’s midterms, and he loses, he’ll complain it’s rigged. He’ll declare a national emergency before that so there are no midterms.
When your army comes to our borders you can be damned sure Canadians will fight to their death to defend their freedom and sovereignty. I would gladly give my life to my country to save my family, both from inside and from external.
What are you doing?
18 months ago, nobody knew what the Democratic Socialists were. Mamdani’s election, and his subsequent success, has energized them. A month ago, 30% of Democrats aligned with the DSA. Two weeks ago, a new poll put the number above 50%.
In the Midterms, we are going to see many DemSocs win, and Socialists will start taking over the Democratic Party, the way the Tea Party/ MAGA took over the Republicans.
THIS is what revolution looks like in America. It occurs slowly, over the course of several election cycles, but it is inexorable, and it will happen. We just have to ignore those who want to see us destroy the nation they despise, for their own sick entertainment.
I’ve already taken the time elsewhere to type what all I’m doing, so I will just not that YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT I AM DOING.
How do you think more DSA candidates are happening? People are doing things.
And you think YOU are frustrated? Try living here.
Again, you bitching at those of us who are not the fucking problem does fuck all to help.
Revolting in the street?
Yeah, we’ll see, I guess. A whole lot of people bought into that “red pill” bullshit, especially younger men.
I mean, when you really think about it there were a significant amount of voters in 2024 that were only 10 years old when Trump got elected the first time and were still in highschool when he left office. Not only that, we were in the middle of quarantine for half their time in highschool and they probably spent a lot of that time online out of pure boredom. Add into that the fact that a lot of these kids were getting bombarded by anti vaccine sentiments from family members, the internet, and the former president. And seeing as they couldn’t go outside they couldn’t get a perspective from people irl.
I’m not saying they aren’t without fault. I’m just saying that they were set up to believe in these things before they even starting having opinions for themselves. I remember when I was in highschool I was on the whole “I don’t want a black Muslim as president” train because that’s what my dad and half my classmates believed. I’m lucky enough that I made it out the other side a decent person compared to my friends and family growing up, but I was not a good person in my youth. We are all susceptible to propaganda and if you think you are immune to it than you are probably just falling for a different flavor of propaganda without realizing it.
Not all of these kids were racists, misogynists, or bigots at heart or to begin with. They were just taught from a young age that they were doing the right thing. In my opinion, there’s nothing more evil than manipulating good people to do evil things in the name of being righteous. These red pill and MAGA influencers knew exactly what they were doing and made bank doing it.
Everybody did shit they’re not proud of as a kid. I’m glad you grew as a person, many did not .
The Dems also choked harder than the Viper did when fighting the Mountain. I remember when asked to address the concerns of young men who felt like they were being ignored and left behind, the Democratic response was something along the lines “vote on behalf of the women in your life”.
Turns out, treating empathy as a zero-sum game and telling struggling people they’re the problem isn’t a great way to win their votes, especially when the other side is actively pointing at the people being catered to as the reason you’re struggling.
I remember when asked to address the concerns of young men who felt like they were being ignored and left behind, the Democratic response was something along the lines “vote on behalf of the women in your life”.
I don’t know if that sort of thing was the Democratic official response, but I’ve seen my share of completely unhelpful bullshit from online people that at least identify as leftist.
Telling men, especially white men that they should take a back seat and let others talk and doing anything else is “mansplaining”, that they need to “do the work”, and “check their privilege” and so on. Creating a hierarchy in the Oppression Olympics game, etc. And telling people that their pain is invalid. Taking joy in young men who are miserable in the dating game.
If someone is hurting, responding with a lecture about how awful they are because of their race and gender is supposed to do what? Is all that lecturing and scolding supposed to be winning hearts and minds and building a broader coalition? FFS.
We need a lot more happy warriors like Mamdani, AOC and Bernie. Okay, Bernie can be a bit gruff at times, but he’s not lecturing people on intersectionality and other extremely academic/online things. Those guys talk about how we are in this shit together as humans and you come away galvanized and motivated. They don’t give people homework assignments and dress them down in a finger-wagging struggle session.
I remember watching a Democratic rally online during the last election when that quote came up, and feeling just utterly sunk.
Very well said, especially about the struggle-session vibes given to people who are already struggling. Firmly agree happy warriors like Bernie and AOC are fantastic speakers for the working class; my best friend who works as a server was brought to literal hopeful tears hearing her speak. Hope for a better future is for everyone, not just X/Y/Z category :)
I’d be curious which politician was saying this as it seems out of touch.
When I see that kind of thing online, though, it’s not like I shrivel up and get in the fetal position under my desk; I’m almost stereotypically Gen X in that I came up analog, spent lots of time alone and without adult supervision - both outdoors and indoors, dealt with plenty of (physical) bullying and fights, cut my teeth on BBSes and Usenet, learned and helped build out many things related to the Internet, and spent plenty of time seeing and taking part in political arguments online, and so when I get some nonsense from someone playing the Oppression Olympics game I just shake my head and usually laugh - it’s not my first rodeo. Then I block/ignore them for the most part. Or if it’s a place like what Boing Boing’s BBS chat forum eventually became, I just move on, since it was being moderated by that type and having any sane discussion there is a non-starter.
But the important part is - I’m not having my political stance get pushed away from progressive politics because of fools like that, mostly because I’m older and didn’t come to where I am without a lot of reading and life experiences and listening to older generations, etc.
But I do worry about people that are younger, and never knew a pre-digital time and are just trying to find their way politically, in a time where most of the “third spaces” are increasingly disappearing and most things are done online ( and kept in archives forever). If some of their first experiences involve running into a little cadre of these types? I fear they may turn to alt-right/red pill spaces, which are going to do the typical cult thing, which is to love-bomb them and validate all of their grievances, even the unfounded and unhealthy ones.
Eh, the “both sides are the same” bullshit is starting up already, so…
The dumb fucks.
