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ickplant@lemmy.world to Funny@sh.itjust.works · 5 days ago

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ickplant@lemmy.world to Funny@sh.itjust.works · 5 days ago
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    Received is the except after C rule. Foreign uses the same ay sound as neighbor.

    Keith is a better one, but it’s a proper noun so a lot of rules for spelling are ignored.

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      I’m sorry… foreign and neighbor do not use the same sound

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        They do but not where its_kim thinks:

        fȯr-ən

        nā-bər

        The “ei” in “foreign” is a schwa ( /ə/ ) and so is the “o” in neighbor.

        Sources (American English): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor

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        It does when you pronounce it correctly.

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          No…

          https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor

          nā-bər

          https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign

          fȯr-ən

          You’re probably speaking some fringe accent.

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          Firstly, there is, effectively, no ‘correct’ way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter.

          Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as “fore-ayn.” I’d love to know what dialect you speak.

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          Nope.

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      Foreign does not use the same sound as neighbor.

      nAYbor

      forEN

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        It does sound like forayn to me.

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          The most common pronounciations are “for-in” and “for-un”.

          Source: English linguistics student who can read phonetic notation

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        It absolutely doesn’t have a hard E vowel sound. Except when my deep south relatives say it.

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          Because it’s not a “hard” E… it’s a mid-central vowel in “foreign” (schwa): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_central_vowel (like when going “uh”)

          Proof in an American dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign

          While “ei” in “Neighbor” is NOT a schwa, it’s an “ay”: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor

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          Yes, you are correct that it does not have a hard E sound

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