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None of them are obese though.
That’s the point.
Some body types aren’t actually body types 🤷♂️
It’s definitely a body type. Just not necessarily a healthy body type.
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When we’re talking about the form of a character that we can see, then I feel like the most relevant sense of “body type” is one that includes the whole picture of both the underlying bone structure/musculature, and how fat is distributed on the body.
Linking things back to the original image, I personally find it absurd that even the body type described as “full figured” still has a thigh gap. Even people who are slender rarely have a thigh gap, so this depiction is ridiculous. I would interpret “full figured” as describing someone who is on the larger side of the healthy range (or is a bit overweight) but is not obese, so this image is silly even without getting into discussions about whether obesity constitutes a body type (though I would argue it does, for the purpose of a drawing guide that is showing the difference between how different body types are drawn. A better drawing guide might even have included references for characters who are overweight and/or obese — after all, obese people are people who exist in the world, and thus I would expect them to appear in fiction also.
When you’re more fat than body, can you really call it a body type?
None of the girls depicted could possibly have over 25% body fat percent. A healthy percentage for a woman is 25%-35% or about, sometimes higher depending on body type.
What you think is bad is healthy if you think anything “fatter” than depicted is bad. Check your unhealthy expectations and get them away from women.
First and foremost, you may have read my comment but you didn’t comprehend my comment. If someone has 25% body fat they, by definition, have more body than fat.
You don’t even understand the bodies you’re trying to shame… failure of the worst kind.
Oh really? Have you ever seen a person in the shape of a rhomboid?
Eiichiro Oda: “hold my sake”
Your mother was a rhomboid
MY mother was a rhomboid, you insensitive clod
And your father smelt of irregular polyhedrons
Half of this comment section Is hating on anime for no reason and the other half is people just going yeah why are they so similar lol
Having worked with vendors in the print industry, I’m wondering if at least some of this is a scaling issue in the edit. Because the “tall and thin” type is exactly the same height as the rest.
Maybe there was a version that was more distinct, and a layout guy standardized them without seeing or reading the copy.
Maybe that’s too much benefit of the doubt.
At that point, the layout person is either a dumbass or doesn’t read English.
Or maybe can’t even see the copy. They may be looking at lorem ipsum.
Anime girl with d cup breaststroke slightly thick thighs most chubby anime person peops can handle before they start getting scared
I think, they miscounted. It’s actually 4 billion body types, not just 4.
I never noticed before that all girls are knock-kneed.
It’s somehow preferred in Japan.
… and people get mad at me when I say this now bog standard, seemingly literally standardized anime art style is uninspired, boring, and fundamentally problematic.
True, my favorite manga all have a distinct art stile. But also a unique style in story telling and pacing.
Yeah, as I’ve said elsewhere in this thread that is now too complex for me to keep track of:
An actually distinct art style is usually, not always, but usually, and indicator that many other aspects of the manga or anime will be of higher quality, try to do something more unique, or less common.
Makes sense. If one is run-of-the-mill budget production, then the other is too. Right?
And at least in most of the better ones, you can feel that the story writer and/or mangaka are with the heart behind it.
Well, I would say this does not work in reverse (converse?).
Show has a fairly standard style?
Total crapshoot, could be great in many ways other than style, could be awful, could be mid.
If all A are also B…
That is not the same as ‘all Not A are also Not B.’
So, if you see a unique style (A), decent chance it is also good in other ways (B).
But, if you don’t see A… that just tells you nothing, really, about B.
It does not mean that B is less likely to be present, simply because A is not present.
I don’t hate anime, but it takes a really good story and unique characters to actually drag me in. The art style is an immediate turn off for me.
Same thing with some western animation. If it looks like the animator learned their art by tracing Family Guy, but with a slightly different nose, I won’t watch it.
Huh!
I mean, fair enough, you understand your own tastes, I just personally am not generally turned off by cartoons.
But yes you bring up another good point re Western Animation, which is that much of it has also homogenized, more or less around the Family Guy art style.
I find that to be even worse frankly, but that probably has more to do with my visceral disdain for the entire show.
Out of curiosity, do you have a preferred art style in video games? Or like, a set of acceptable ones, and then a set of ‘nope’ styles?
I am of course also presuming you play a fair number of video games, which could also be incorrect.
Anyway, I totally understand what you mean in the sense of… some particular art styles are just so unappealing/off-putting, that whatever media it is that they are in, it would have to outperform a similar bit of media in a different style, in other aspects, to roughly be counted as equivalently enjoyable.
I guess we just have different sets or categories of those styles that are off-putting to each of us.
Funny you bring that up, as I avoided expounding too much.
It will sound terribly xenophobic, but I also avoid JRPGs and interactive novels for the most part. I played a few back in the nes/SNES era but found them all to be kind of copy/paste jobs. It could also be that I find turn based combat boring. I’m sure there are plenty of good ones out there, but I don’t really have the time.
I’m somewhat of a Luddite and enjoy low res pixel graphics, or hand drawn painterly stuff (think Disco Elysium).
I also mostly play puzzle/mystery oriented stuff. Old school style point and clicks, Myst-likes.
Honestly, I find the gameplay of older JRPGs generally insufferable as well.
Give me Chrono Trigger or at least Golden Sun, where we have a bit more complex and interesting actual game mechanics, as well as very very good plot lines, characters, soundtracks, etc.
But uh yeah, sounds like you are probably about 10 years older than me? And/or just … don’t really play too many games?
I dunno, thats the ‘vibe’ I’m getting, but hey I also think Disco is phenomenal.
I dunno uh, ever seen or played Windwaker?
That game was pretty controversial when it came out, for shifting Zelda into a very cartoony art style…
… but now its generally remembered as a very unique and basically timeless art style, that a lot of people sort of use as a foundation for their own styles, when trying to make a game.
Yeah, I’m an old bastard. I had a stretch from around 2000-2012 where I barely played anything aside from Counter Strike and Team Fortress.
Chrono Trigger was great, I’ll admit. As you said, great characters and engaging gameplay, not just tapping A and healing occasionally.
I played the first two gens of Pokemon when they came out, skipped a bunch and returned for Arceus and Scarlet. I’m sounding like more of a hypocrite with every sentence. Heh.
Maybe I’ll bite the bullet and try a Persona game or a Final Fantasy that was released this millennium.
Hey you know Chrono Trigger!
Ever heard of maybe… Dragon Ball (Z)?
Same artist, at least for the concept and promotional art, character portraits.
RIP Akira Toriyama.
DBZ was definitely a thing when I was a kid. I liked the character design, and the huge attacks were cool, but the way that they stretched out thin scripts with repetitive, pointless, easy to animate dialogue. I understand that they did this because they had to crank out an episode every week or so. I gave up on it the third time half the episode was a hero sweating in a rocky canyon with minutes of internal dialog with the only animation being eye twitches and the occasional camera shift.
I probably would have been more into it if I was a year or two younger. I also briefly got into Power Rangers the first season it aired, but aged out of it immediately. Like I said, I’m old.
I get the fandom for the various things I’ve nit-picked on, and don’t judge those that enjoy them.
In conclusion, Parasite Eve was rad as hell and should have had two sequels and a remaster.
Unrelated: did you know that the term “bog standard” comes from the term “box standard” which means, essentially, vanilla. No modifications or additions, just the basic version in the box. This used to be on the boxes for things people bought.
Now it basically means the same thing but to a none native speaker bog standard would likely not make much sense, where box standard has the context in the term.
BOG: “Board of Government”. Apparently the durability and other characteristics of toilet seats had to be standardized by a board, otherwise people would suffer accidents while on the throne. Thus, we got the BOG Standard.
At least, that I what I heard anecdotally.
I genuinely did not know that.
Makes complete sense though!
… and yes, English is a ridiculous nonsense language, we can and routinely do things like verb(ify) nouns, we have tons of idioms and slang that well… barely even make sense to many native speakers… we have tons of homophones like threw through, their there they’re… etc…
2 week late necro post but:
(images you can hear, lol)
That has been my problem with many Animes for many years. There is a boring sameness in many designs that just drive me away.
everything is fundamentally problematic if you want to see a problem in everything.
Are you implying my tastes are a result of intentional cyncism?
They are not.
I just get bored of looking at the same thing all the time.
Thats not like, an active choice I am making.
yeah ok but boring and problematic are two different things.
when you say “anime art style is […] fundamentally problematic” i assume you mean “it caters too much to the male gaze”.
i’m sick of people saying “anime is creepy because it displays women in a way that are attractive to men”. typically, it gets connected to “patriarchy” and “creepiness” through the lens of mainstream social discourse today.
i say the only damage done by creeps is if they are in real life and pester other people around them. people are not gonna change their nature. creeps are gonna be creeps. but at least you can shift them to the internet, to fictional and non-personal media, away from real life. and that’s a good thing, and only possible if anime continues to exist.
Ah ok.
So, I don’t think that it ‘centers the male gaze’.
I barely even know what that actually means, these days.
I’m not generally worried by the idea of trying to convey people who are attractive, in their own right, when viewed by men or women or anything else.
You can do that in a bad way via characterization or plot or whatever, but I’m just talking about the art style of the drawing.
I do find a lot of the relationship archetypes/dynamics in a lot of anime problematic, but I’m again trying to just talk about the art style.
I’m also not saying that like, “all anime presents bad socialization examples and standards.”
Sure, some kinda do, some really do, but there’s tons of great anime that doesn’t, that doesn’t showcase that, or if it does, that character is bsd because they do that, or its a flaw, where it is good when they overcome it.
It is just a fact of human beings that we basically all judge each other as beautiful or not, to some extent, so… it would be ridiculous to just completely eliminate that from shows.
What I do think this style does, for both boys and girls, though the effect is usually much worse on girls…
Is that it fundamentally promotes unrealistic beauty / self-image standards, if you don’t actually have a parent explaining some of this kind of stuff to them.
If you had an actual human being, approaching any of the body forms in OP image, well you are basically descibing an anorexic person.
Well ok, other than what is here labelled ‘full figured’, which, if you just replaced the head with a human proportioned head, would be probably what I’d call a skinny or skinnier person, but probably not so skinny that its like, de facto medically concerning.
But this is still bad, because now, if you are in reality skinny, you may think you are basically chubby.
Its exactly the same critique I’d have of older Barbie dolls.
Also, real people have noses, anime characters basically do not.
You should not be ashamed to have a nose.
I really do think that a lot of more vulnerable people get some kind of body dysmorphia complex from being overly immersed in this, if they don’t have a parent who like, checks in on them from time to time, actually explains that some elements of a characters style are reasonable to try and emulate, others are very unrealistic and unreasonable to try and emulate.
Girls compete so, so much amongst themselves over who is the prettiest, most desirable, and if you have unrealistic standards for that, it can create self image problems, especially in households that already are not doing a great job of raising their kids.
There, that’s the angle by which I find this style ‘fundamentally problematic’.
Not really even a feminist, social dynamics angle, more of just a healthy young mind / child development angle.
I don’t think “people get mad” at that, so much as they get mad at you saying “turn off the anime, I hate the anime, don’t you realize everything in anime looks the same” when someone else is trying to enjoy something.
I mean, I don’t broadly say ‘all anime is bad, i hate all anime’.
I very much like a lot of anime, some of my favorite characters and plot lines in all of fiction are from animes and mangas.
It… just seems that a lot if anime has largely stylistically homogenized lately.
And a lot of that is because most anime is produced by a well oiled, unforgiving capitalist machine that optimizes for profit, not what I would call real creativity.
The exceptions where that is not the case… animes with more distinctive visual styles… tend to be a pretty decent indicator the overall show is better, in aspects beyond just art style.
Oh, and, I am always going to, on at least one level, judge people based on their taste in art, and also judge art based on itself.
Its fine, broadly speaking, for people to like things I don’t.
Its also fine, broadly speaking, for me to think that people who enjoy art that I find boring, uninteresting, … to themselves be boring and uninteresting, to having boring and uninteresting taste.
Its not really that hard to walk the line between objective critique and analysis, and subjective preference… if you are honest with yourself, and take care to deliniate these things when talking about them.
You are more than your consumer preferences.
animes and mangas
Tourist detected, opinion rejected.
Why are they all pigeon-toed?
When I lived in Japan, about 30 years ago, it seemed to be a trend among young women to stand and walk pigeon-toed. It seems likely that manga took their cue from what was popular.
At one point, it was considered cute/attractive. I don’t know if it still is IRL (I don’t notice it when out and about, but I also don’t pay much attention to anyone’s legs or feet), but it definitely has stuck around in drawn media.
“well-balanced propotions” that’s comic.
2 big sized heads and 2 enormous heads
Why are they all pigeon-toed?
You accidentally double posted, but yes, that is uh… odd.
Bent in knees are cutesy as a pose, but as a fundamental skeletal attribute, they’re … kinda problematic.
Ah whoops!
Just helping you from tripping over yourself.
=P
They are all the same
Strikes me as the same girl drawn once for every year in high school, from left to right junior, senior, sophomore, freshman.
One is missing an eye. Sucks to be her.
Not entirely. But when you live in an ethnically homogeneous society you notice more subtle differences in people.
when you live in an ethnically homogeneous society
Japan isn’t ethnically homogeneous. Westerners simply aren’t interested in learning the history and social makeup of the island, or even acknowledge anyone lives outside Tokyo.
The Ainu, the Ryukyuans, and the Yamato are all distinct cohorts. And that’s before you get into the post-Meiji cultural divergences.
The ainu and ryukyuan are a tiny fraction of the population, and there are only 2% of foreigners living in Japan, with half of those being Korean. There arent many countries with a lower diversity of population than that.
The ainu and ryukyuan are a tiny fraction of the population
When you count mixed-race Japanese residents as Yamato by default, sure. When you deliberately blot out the historical genealogies as part of the fascist project of the post-Meiji Era, absolutely.
There arent many countries with a lower diversity of population than that.
In the same way that somewhere north of 30% of the population in Vietnam has the last name Nguyen, we can pretend at homogeneity to salve the prickly attitudes people who desire the appearance of a uniform population. Ralphiel Cruz changes his name to Ted. Robert Francis O’Rourke changes his name to Beto. It has nothing to do with their racial composition and everything to do with their efforts to appear to fit in.
But if you believe Japan’s 189M people all came out of the same petri dish, you’re simply buying into a eugenics myth.
The second doesn’t have the coveted “thigh gap”, signaling that you are sufficiently anorexic. The third has the faintest shadow of muscle definition in her biceps and calves. The fourth remembered to wear socks, a thing only tall people do
The fourth remembered to wear socks, a thing only tall people do
she’s wearing socks because she has so little fat on her body, she’s cold all the time. so she needs extra clothing.
Frigging tall girls and their (checks notes) socks. Why do they ALWAYS wear them.
Check the tits
Also fat, fatter, fatass, fatterass, full zipcode, city size, state size, continental, hemispherical, planetary, solar, black hole-like, Galactical, interstatial, universal and beyond luminal.
These can be combined for yo momma jokes.
that’s what “athletic” means?
