• Samsuma@lemmy.ml
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    17 days ago

    Great vid, but did the reviewer really have to rub the “European” aspect of it throughout? smh…

    Anyways, she mentions that there’s the option of using Aurora Store + F-Droid, I wonder if govt. apps that are basically required for day-to-day services (e.g. Absher, Sehaty) would work with or without microG… I might try and find out for science, once I have the means to do so :).

    Otherwise, compartmentalizing by having two phones, one Android for the govt apps and one Linux, would basically be meta until something changes.

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      16 days ago

      did the reviewer really have to rub the “European” aspect of it throughout?

      It’s become a very important feature for a lot of people who can’t stand fascism, and a selling point for non-US companies.

      If you want this to change, kick the orange utan out of the White House, and maybe in 10 to 15 years, the rest of the world will get over the butthurt.

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          16 days ago

          It’s totally butthurt.

          People around the world are genuinely pissed that the richest country on Earth is threatening their right to not have to go through another world war because 77 million dumbasses reckoned electing a fascist felon pedo in the White House was a-okay.

          My company has stopped selling to American customers, so that they wouldn’t pay tariffs and fund the fascist state each time they ordered from us, and I can tell you the business we picked up in Europe just for deciding to do that is well worth the loss of income from American customers.

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        16 days ago

        “Buy European” / “Use European” is a deeply unserious and reactionary mantra that assumes software and hardware manufactured and designed in Europe is inherently the “safest” and “most secure”. Or if not, then “safer” than their AmeriKKKan or their Chinese counterpart. Or if it is not “safe” at all then it is assumed it is “less unsafe”.

        It’s reactionary, because it reinforces ideals for European nationalism and only ever came up so far when Trump got elected. It also necessarily espouses the Great Man Theory because of that, which you seem to entertain there.

        If Europe or European companies were serious about security and privacy, they would do well to decouple from GAFAM. The reality is that European institutions all use Microsoft or Amazon to host their websites, use Google or Microsoft for their office suite software (save for a few and far between insignificant instances of LibreOffice use), use Instagram/Facebook/Twitter/etc… for public communication, as well as promotional and marketing purposes, and so on.

        If the EU had any skin or teeth, they would actually enforce their GDPR regulations and not allow any GAFAM in Europe. Instead, they are essentially allowed to continue to operate, the “fees” GAFAM pay for violations of GDPR rules are basically only chump change and can be made back within hours.

        And finally, the EU routinely invests in spyware to be used within and outside their borders. It’s no surprise it deservedly doesn’t get the traction Europeans want.

        The real solution, which correctly transcends any and all borders, involves advocating for Free/Libre Open Source Software and Hardware. It shouldn’t be hard to understand why.

        Sources:

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          15 days ago

          Various european public institutions are moving to open source solutions, and the fines for GAFAM are increasing more and more, and starting to actually hurt. If they banned GAFAM most people would be furious, it’s kind of a non-starter.

          then “safer” than their AmeriKKKan or their Chinese counterpart.

          I mean, it is though. Even if it wasn’t it’s still worth doing to support local industry.

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            Various european public institutions are moving to open source solutions meaning just Germany, the Netherlands and Germany. Even if this were true, they are incredibly underfunded compared to what they spend on military and “state security”.

            the fines for GAFAM are increasing more and more, and starting to actually hurt

            The “fines” that are “getting higher” are imposed on GAFAM, it’s still chump change even if they add $20 more million to the fines. The highest fine was around a billion euros for Facebook. That fine also was never settled yet either, it’s still being fought in court like basically most other settlements. Do you also know how much time it would take for Facebook to recoup that value, if they do get fined that much?

            I mean, it is though. Even if it wasn’t it’s still worth doing to support local industry.

            It really isn’t. Consult every single source I posted in my previous reply to see why. There’s obviously nothing wrong with supporting local industry, in fact I advocate for this. What I’m saying here is that there’s something wrong with blindly advocating for a Eurocentric initiative that is ideologically bankrupt, one that reinforces a European superiority complex and is only backed by appeals to European nationalism.

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    16 days ago

    I’d like to get on board but until jolla/sailfish has a free (as in beer) community version that I can put on my cheap phone, I really don’t care a bit for it. available for some xperia models and in a limited version, I mean come on. let it loose and reap the fruits of enthusiastic and unpaid volunteer work, what’s the holdup?

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      14 days ago

      But why only as beer? Doesn’t it seem like a repetition of the Android fiasco if it’s not fully open source?

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        14 days ago

        that’s kinda implied, without that premise it shouldn’t even be considered. i’m just saying that this hurdle in the form of a paid licence for just taking a look at the thing is terminally off-putting.