I’m all for it, but what kicked it off?

  • madjo@feddit.nl
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    11 months ago

    Earlier this week a user posted “kill Nazis” and got a warning from Imgur saying that imgur is an inclusive platform, welcome to everyone. (which apparently includes Nazis?)
    That’s what kicked this off (again).

    There was already some upset feelings in the community because at the beginning of the week one of the “Elbow Deep In A” accounts got suspended over a “Gone Mild” drawing of a goblin girl. So it didn’t take much for the community to be really upset with “business daddy”

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    11 months ago

    The only reason any of these people have power is because we, as a society, continue to use their shit… Get the fuck off Twitter, get the fuck off Reddit, get the fuck off Facebook. Make those companies worthless by not using them it’s literally so easy. I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir here but God damn it’s literally so easy, just read a book. Touch some grass. We weren’t ready for the internet and it’s time to turn it off.

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      Get the fuck off Twitter, get the fuck off Reddit, get the fuck off Facebook.

      I mean, way ahead of you. But we’re just jerking each other off if we think saying this downthread of a Lemmy post is changing anyone’s mind. This is the most Preaching To The Choir ass post you can make outside of an actual church.

      We weren’t ready for the internet and it’s time to turn it off.

      eye-roll

      Listen, if you want to walk around downtown with a big sandwich board that says “Log The Fuck Off And Touch Grass”, I’ll cheer for you when I see you. But there’s a reason people flock to an easily accessible portal for social engagement. And its naive to keep shouting “Log the fuck off!” from within the medium you can’t seem to quit yourself.

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      We weren’t ready for the internet and it’s time to turn it off.

      Did you write all that on the internet? Or did you scrawl it in ballpoint pen in the back of a book you’re reading?

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      I’m really waiting for this idea to catch on. I got online in the late 80s to get away from normies and their boring, repetitive normie mind-viruses. Back then it was just nerds talking to other nerds. Nowadays you can’t even talk to your friends here. This whole thing is for people to get angry about politics and buy products. The sooner all these people leave, the sooner we can get back to what originally brought us here.

      Hopefully soon, going on social media will be seen as a bad antisocial habit like smoking.

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      Idiots weren’t ready for the internet.

      If people would get out of walled garden bot ridden bullshit, the internet could be great.

      What non nerds use today is not internet. I like to call it Corpo-Net. Because these people never venture outside their billionaire facist websites.

  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
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    Turns out people on the “left” can be just as easily manipulated as those on the right. Surely its our own communities stoking violence between americans. Noone from outside the country could possibly want that for us, could they?

    Why’s it so easy to spot right wing propaganda but not left wing propaganda?

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      11 months ago

      ‘The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi’ isn’t left-wing propaganda, it’s what my grandfathers taught me. Those men were definitely not “Left-wing” lol!

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      11 months ago

      Did somebody get theiw feewings huwt?

      Fuck Nazis, I hope they all get the Nazi punched out of them.

    • MightyThistle 🌺♀️@lemmy.world
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      Being anti-Nazi isn’t propaganda any more than being anti-genocide is propaganda. Being anti-Nazi and anti-genocide means you’re a normal and reasonable person. I’ll happily rebel against systems which are corrupt.

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        Promoting the labeling of large groups of people you have never met as Nazis, and then promoting violence against them, is a fantastic example of propaganda designed to create conflict and distrust amongst a community.

        Shouldnt be so hard to see, I’m not sure why lemmy users are so susceptible to this type of manipulation.

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          Would you have tried to feed this kind of hogcock to the victims of the holocaust as it was happening? Was everyone hating Nazis when they called themselves Nazis just a victim of leftists propaganda?

          How many bites do you take of a shit sandwich before you know what you’re eating?

        • MightyThistle 🌺♀️@lemmy.world
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          I don’t have to meet a Nazi to know they’re a Nazi. Just as I don’t need to personally meet a cobra to know that what I’m looking at is a venomous snake belonging to the genus Naja.

          fantastic example of propaganda designed to create conflict and distrust amongst a community

          You just described Nazi ideology

    • DomeGuy@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      Because right-wing propaganda is “become Nazis, the left are all sub-humans” and the left wing propaganda is “what the fuck, the right are all Nazis!?”

      It’s hard to spot propaganda when it’s just the truth spoken loudly.

      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
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        Its the same message flipped. Its just as bigoted and divisive. And its not coming from americans either, this is other countries citizens attempting to tear america apart so it stops being a blight on the world. Hard to blame them, but we shouldnt be so naive.

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          11 months ago

          The same folks sending “the left are subhuman!” to the right aren’t also sending “the right are Nazis!” to the left. That would be a duplicate signal and inefficient.

          Instead, they’re sending “both sides suck” to the middle.

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    11 months ago

    Any idea whether imgur is still allowing advertising from AfD? I ended up migrating away from them because of that and haven’t been back.

  • merc@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    It still surprises me that people use Imgur as a social media site. Imgur to me is a place that hosts image to be used on other social media sites. Using imgur as a social media site is like using a url shortener as a social media site. What’s next, Captcha becomes a social media hangout?

    • pedz@lemmy.ca
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      Imgur has been pretty shit at hosting images for other sites for about a decade because it’s trying very hard to keep people captive on its site. They added ways to prevent hotlinking and if I paste an imgur link in a chat, starting with i., supposedly a direct link to the image, the preview will not work and the page the link sends to will always open their whole site around that image. They really really want people to stay on there, and interact, or watch ads. AFAIK they have made that change about a decade ago as they wanted to monetize.

    • FishFace@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      I used it that way for years. It’s better for memes than fediverse or Reddit, except for two things: 1 occasionally the user base freaks the fuck out and starts spamming the same thing, like this. I don’t like Nazis, but that also means I don’t want literally everything on my funny picture site to be about keeping them out. 2 increasingly all the popular stuff isn’t memes at all, but shitting on trump and musk. See point 1.

      Then they blocked the UK because they didn’t want to put an age field on their registration form (note this is not to do with age verification)

      • I’m so old I remember the first post. Hey you can host images for reddit here. The other image hosting sites at the time sucked, they were slow, purged content frequently, and were full of ads. I signed up immediately and imgur was good for almost 10 years and nearly the only place images from reddit reddit users were hosted. I think the pressure to monetize combined with reddit’s own image hosting push sent them into the enshitification death spiral.

    • Asidonhopo@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      My neighbor uses Imgur as his main social media. I take that with a grain of salt though since he’s a millenial who only used flip phones til 2022, there are dozens like him, dozens!

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    11 months ago

    Somebody was banned for posting the GIF of the Nazi Guy getting knocked out (you know the one).

    The community is not having it.

    • zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.comBanned
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      11 months ago

      Yeah and the community does not understand what it means to protect your audience from certain content. Violence is violence. At this point it does not matter who is who. But the community just had too much lead in the water and is unable to form their own thoughts, thus just follow the other sheep.

    • Tanis Nikana@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      Every time I walk past that stretch near Pike and 3rd in Seattle, right over that bit of concrete where the nazi got laid the fuck out, I punch the air. Every time.

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      11 months ago

      That video always makes me uncomfortable because I dont know the actual context. Maybe he was in Halloween fancy dress?

      Yes fuck nazis, but I dont know in my bones the person deserved it.

      • Monument@lemmy.sdf.org
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        11 months ago

        The sources for this video indicate the person wearing the armband:

        • Harassed a black man on a bus.
        • Walked around downtown Seattle for an hour dressed that way.
        • Had several verbal confrontations with passerby who commented on his clothing.
          Source 1

        • Several 911 calls were placed about this man attempting to instigate fights.
        • The man declined to file a police report after the police did appear.
          Source 2

        For at least an hour at any point leading up to this, the person wearing the armband could have taken it off and stopped interacting with others. To my knowledge, the person who was punched has never spoken to media to explain why they were dressed as such, despite the massive internet fame of the video.

        Do you still feel uncomfortable? Do you know in your bones if the person deserved it?

        • yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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          In this specific case im happy enough thanks for that. Thats actually cheered me up a little.

          I’m not sure if I’ll ever truly get there, think I’ll be a little more comfortable joining the mob without context next time. This is the most consistent engagement I’ve ever had on this site and I think ive learned a thing or two here.

          • Monument@lemmy.sdf.org
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            11 months ago

            Well, don’t join the mob blindly. Do your own research. The above information was gathered from one internet search using the available context clues from this post.
            It did not take very long and was easy.

        • yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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          I think it more reminds me how easily influenced we can be. “Go find out” is great, but its not possible to research everything you see. Even if I did I’d only find other people talking about the video and would have no real way of discerning who actually knows what theyre talking about and who’s just making credible sounding shit up.

          Do you guys not feel that worry somewhere in your mind when you see things like this?

          • Feathercrown@lemmy.world
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            I mean, it’s not like me enjoying the video is going to affect the guy who got punched. I think it’s good that as a society we support videos that appear to show Nazi cosplayers being punched and don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were actually there IRL and able to affect the outcome, I would also be able to ask for the necessary information to determine what to do.

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          11 months ago

          Fun fact I have a swedish tankers trench coat from 1940 and a Swiss helmet from 1942 when I wear them together it basically looks like legally distinct werhmacht. I can pull the samething with an American armor school long coat and a Yugoslav helmet for the Soviet equivalent.

          It’s technically not Nazi apparel. It annoys my friends though.

        • jol@discuss.tchncs.de
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          Yeah, I think you should cosplay as a nazi the same way we wear fake guns. You better make it abundantly clear that it’s a toy/costume.

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            11 months ago

            Someone I know cosplays as a Nazi. He doesn’t walk around the streets wraring an armband. He goes in full military gear, riding around on an original WWII german bike with sidecar at WWII historic events. You know, like a cosplayer.

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              If true, then the person you know is a loser and someone should beat the shit out of them.

              It doesn’t matter how authentic it is if you’re cosplaying as a fucking Nazi.

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                11 months ago

                Do it yourself then tough guy

                Literally know nothing about the person, that doesn’t make them a Nazi lol

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                  11 months ago

                  People like you are the reason why the US is a fascist nation now. Giving literal Nazis the benefit of the doubt over and over because they say that “it’s just a joke” or whatever.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            The number of people willing to provide cover, and give the benefit of the doubt to people dressing as, and behaving like literal Nazis is too damn high. I’m seeing it everywhere on here lately.

            “I don’t know anything about the thing you guys are talking about, but what if he was dressed like that because he’s an actor in a movie?”

            Really?

            • quick_snail@feddit.nl
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              11 months ago

              Oh, I’m not defending a specific instance. I’m merely pointing out that there does exist a time and place where people should be allowed to dress as despicable characters from history

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            You’re allowed, but surely you’d be aware enough not to walk in your costume outside the set. The same goes for theatre or anything. An actor who thinks it’s a good idea to walk outside in a nazi costume has it coming, and that’s a good thing.

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              Don’t even engage with such a bullshit attempt at deflecting. Look, they’ve already got you talking about a bullshit hypothetical that they literally just made up whole cloth

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                There’s no deflecting, a stupid statement was made and the stupidity of it is being demonstrated.

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          Also, in the one scenario where I would find dressing up as a nazi acceptable, which is if they’re an actor for a movie/show/play that requires nazi characters, they are not going to just put an armband on their everyday modern clothing.

          They’ll wear a proper reconstruction of an actual nazi uniform, and they’re not going to just walk around in that costume, they’re going to be on or around a set, which also gives any possible passerbys the context clues needed to understand that they’re just an actor, thus saving themselves from being punched.

        • yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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          Or a movie prop. Or a weird stag night. Or a mentally ill person unaware of the severity of the joke. Or theres a gunman behind the camera making him put the armband on. Or digitally altered before release. Or the list goes on.

          What you think you see “Nazi scum punished”

          What you actually saw “man gets punched”

          Im lowkey shook fr how easily #2 becomes #1. Again, I’d like to point out I’m all for nazis getting fucked up.

          • IWW4@lemmy.zip
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            If it is a movie prop than the person stays on the lot. There is no stag night justification, mental illness ok…

            But you are reaching.

            There are certain things you never choose to do. Pretending to be be a Nazi is one of them.

            • yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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              So youre happy that you know based on a 2 second gif and it doesn’t even slightly worry you how easy it is? Maybe it was cut to only show the good bit, but maybe its been cut to rob you of any context.

              We have the ability to make anything look like anything, and we’re cheering on violence based on a momentary flash of bad-guy logo, while being the same species that had literal witch- finders like a few generations ago.

              I’m more worried now, because instead of seeing the point I’m trying to make people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.

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                people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.

                You are normalizing them by defending a guy who chose to dress as one in public.

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                  Listen it took 4 hours and 70 odd down arrows before anyone provided any actual information, and you people are still piling on.

                  Minimum 70 people. I dont have enough of a metaphysical language set to get the original point across, but there are lessons to be learned here for all of us.

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            11 months ago

            Fuck off, Nazi sympathiser. You’re literally inventing reasons to justify proudly wearing the symbol of hate and genocide.

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            11 months ago

            Did you just really ignore monuments comment two above?

            I guess we know where your sympathies land

      • rumba@lemmy.zip
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        Consider:

        Someone is getting knocked the F out on camera.

        There is a crowd of people

        No one is stopping or diffusing the situation

        No one is stopping over the check on the fallen

        Then calculate it appears to be a guy wearing a nazi arm band

        then consider that it would be the shittiest idea for a halloween costume south of blackface and even wearing nazi garb would likely get you a rightful ass-kicking.

        There’s no math there that makes that even slightly questionable.

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        Yeah, his hand coming up in a way that could be “this isn’t what you think” doesn’t help. The description makes the situation sound very different though and there’s not much of an excuse for the armband right now. But yeah, not a fan of the gif now I’ve seen it

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        11 months ago

        Fancy dress? That’s a stretch. Usually in fancy dress you’re imitating someone. Who is he meant to be? Just a generic Nazi.

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          I know it is, technically. I just never group Imgur into social media. Its always been just an image host in my mind.

          • [object Object]@lemmy.world
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            When I last used Imgur about ten years ago, they communicated exclusively in gifs and meme phrases. It’s a bit odd.

            But, when those browsing /new on Imgur had a mini-uprising and upvoted just anything for a day, weirdest and most outlandish stuff actually made it to the front page. That was the most fun I’ve ever had on a social-media site.

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      No wonder. Some rich guy must have got very upset. Strange though, plenty of people get punched all the time, and there are plenty more GIFs people getting punched. Banning specifically the Nazi guy getting punched isn’t good PR I think…

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      It just amazes me how to doing the Nazi salute, uniforms and speech’s are entirely okay now. However, being against it gets you banned.

      The world has gone a full circle and we are back to the days were fascism, hatred and all that is okay. Unfortunately.

      • DylanMc6 [any, any]@lemmy.mlBanned
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        11 months ago

        we need socialism. we need to organize a lot more than ever. we need to be revolutionary optimists, and NOT give in to counterrevolutionary doom and gloom and defeatism. seriously!