idk maybe i don’t need OP or lemmy if this is cool…
Prison rape is never funny. It’s traumatic, violent, and life destroying.
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People need to stop making prison rape jokes. It’s not OK to joke about women getting raped, so why is it OK when its a man? I fucking wish more people cared about male rape.
I don’t care if it is this particular situation, regardless of gender. Not even a little bit. I hope for worse.
So basically a rape joke. Remember when people had a meltdown when rape jokes were used against women ?
Where’s the outrage ??? This is sick & disgusting.
Honestly Hope America rots in hell. What a sick society. Trump is seriously the best thing to happen to Americans. Revealed their true depraved nature.
Where’s the outrage ???
I see a ton of comments from people upset by this. Yes, it is viewed differently, but in my experience, most people will realize why this isn’t okay if you explain it to them.
So I have to explain why rape is bad to them ??
Don’t generalize all of us, please. Most of my state (WA) did not ask for this and actively voted against it.
But yeah, definitely agree about the rape joke. That shit is not OK.
This crap has been happening for years. you Americans are still an evil, greedy & violent society. The multi-polar world cannot come soon enough. The alternative was a bunch of warmongering assholes. At least with Trump that suffering boomerangs back to you.
The multi-polar world cannot come soon enough.
Wait, we’re getting more poles? Fuck, navigation is going to be insane.
Yes, every single one of us, unequivocally, from the babe that was born five seconds ago, to the oldest living American: all of us are evil and greedy. Zero exceptions. Every person from every other country, especially you, is inherently better than every single American. Go fuck yourself.
The babies are innocent, you are an adult. You are not innocent. Didn’t take long for you to involve infants huh.
& yes I am better than you, my country was tariffed for fun by you lot. Lot’s of good people had to suffer & die (via suicide). So yeah I can say this; We will have true peace when America faces downfall. Rot in hell.
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This actually made me sick to my stomach. I’m used to prison rape (and men being raped in general) being treated as a joke, but to see it in an ostensibly “progressive” movement was just too much for me. Especially since these are the same people who rushed to condemn violence after Kirk got shot. Where is your morality now?
Realise that the revenge you’re praying for can only happen if the institution of prison rape, which predominantly victimizes queer people in men’s prisons, continues to exist. If you find that tolerable even for a second… I just don’t know how to reach you.
You are right. This is perpetuating rape culture and is unacceptable in a progressive society. That woman should be ashamed of herself.
I thought they were talking about locking Bill Clinton up with him, I didn’t even realize the actual joke :(
Email your representatives.
If it makes you feel better (assuming you meant any of that)
I think reform is coming. We saw it with Hollywood. For the longest time that was also a joke “you wanna be a star don’cha?”.
Humor is pain. You won’t find a single joke that isn’t based entirely around pain of some kind. It’s one of the ways we process emotions and it’s one of the easier ways to talk about difficult subjects. It can and always has been a doorway to the eventual discussion.
So hopefully that helps.
Some examples:
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Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other side. The humor is “it was an easy and obvious answer you fool!”
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the other night as I lied in bed looking up at the stars and the infinite cosmos I couldn’t help but wonder… what the fuck happened to my ceiling. The humor is the thing you thought was coming didn’t happen and now you are shocked and briefly confused.
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my mother never breast fed me. She said she always considered me more of a friend. The humor is Rodney dangerfields mother didn’t love him.
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Yeah, but it’s fine because it’s someone we don’t like. Just because that makes us a hypocrite, doesn’t mean that prison rape isn’t fine!
I don’t wanna be his cellmate?!?
Join the fight club, go from big beautiful bill to big brawny bill
Fuck this. No. This is so much of what’s wrong with this fucking country.
No. Let’s not reinforce prisons as torture camps. For fuck’s sake.
Besides, the punishment for high treason is death.
Because there are many wrongfully imprisoned? Maybe we need better laws and no corruption instead?
This is apparently a hot take with this crowd but I think you are entitled to basic human rights even if you’ve committed a crime.
I have a feeling you have not faced much of evil people. Some of them are too far gone
Hitting them more doesn’t make them better.
We can afford humane quarentine for people who can’t stop harming others. But profit and opportunities for working sadists.
You’d be disgusted at how many people are morally bankrupt & evil & masturbate to the thought of break laws & getting away with it.
I don’t think it’s useful to classify people into good and evil. I think the exercise of power is a vice and some people get addicted to it. Causing other people to suffer (and getting away with it) is an exercise of power, and it’s one of the most accessible ones, because there’s always someone you can hurt if you look around. Children, homeless people, criminals, or anyone else deemed unworthy of protection by the more powerful. I reckon some people may be more susceptible to it the same way some people are more susceptible to alcohol addiction, but it’s complicated and there’s a lot I don’t know about how abuse of power compares to abuse of alcohol. But classifying them as evil is a thought terminating cliche: they do bad things because they’re bad people, simple as that. I think thinking about other people that way lets us self-justify a lot of horrific shit in the name of punishing bad people.
It doesn’t have to mean anything beyond him having a cellmate named bill.
Please fuck all the way off with this sniveling, hand-wringy “We just really can’t know for sure” plausible deniability crock of shit you scraped off of Milo Yiannopoulos’s jackboot. There is no other context in which this sign makes sense other than as a joke, and prison rape is the punchline.
Just to reply again, touch some fucking grass and realize there are real people here, if you actually gave a shit it’d be pretty clear from my post history I’m so far from right wing your assumptions are preposterous but enjoy the rest of your day.
The strong language is a cumulative result of other people who have made similar dismissive arguments in the past, so I can see why my response might seem disproportionate if you were just commenting off the cuff. I stand by it though. And your point about your politics is pretty relevant to this whole sordid thread: it’s not just the political right who thinks it’s acceptable (or even to be celebrated) that some people are subjected to rape, torture, or other grotesque violations of human dignity so long as they’re “Bad People”. It’s a true bipartisan issue, and it’s precisely the flaw in human thinking that enables people like Trump to label certain groups “Bad People” and then use the justification of “punishing the Bad People” to seize control and entrench their faction in power. Nobody ever thinks of themselves as “Bad People” so they are often on board, or at least indifferent, because 1) they are not Bad People themselves and 2) after hearing about it for so long, they’ve internalized that the Bad People probably deserve it.
One of the problems with downplaying or questioning “jokes” in this vein is that it pivots the conversation from “is it cool to ‘joke’ about someone being raped” to “was this person even really making a joke in the first place?”, which allows the joke itself a pass, which normalizes the idea behind the joke because the debate itself is stifled.
This is not a joke: I and a lot of my friends and family are in considerable danger right now as a result of years of “jokes” about trans people, immigrants, “radical leftists”, etc. normalizing violence. So please don’t condescend to me about touching fucking grass.
I think the person you’re replying to was just pissed off that you were being obtuse about this being a rape joke. It is very clearly a rape joke.
Look I agree but some plausible deniability lol.
I think prison should be for rehabilitation
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it’s nice to know that rape victims deserve it as long as they do something you don’t like
Nice to know Lemmy now defends CHILD RAPISTS, MASS MURDERERS, AND THE ENDER OF HUMANKIND!
would you personally rape him or would you watch from the sides while you get off to it?
Someone who rapes kids deserves a bad time in prison…
We already figured this out. We have fines, overnights in jail, short and long prison stays, even “state’s gonna kill you back you killer.”
We don’t do “hurting kids means anal penetration by strangers”. Not even if you blend half the planet into a smoothie—we’ll kill you but with whatever injections manufacturers are willing to make, not with sandpaper.
Such things could be codified but presumably would run afoul of conventions (IDK if Geneva applies if not war).
Rape isn’t a part of what we’ve decided to apply as punishment (and again we’re even down to kill, since sometimes we’re super sure we’ll never regret things we can’t take back and aren’t worried about moral high ground).
As a rape victim I’m just gonna say that Trump deserves far worse than rape, I physically recovered he doesn’t deserve even an iota of a possibility towards physical recovery. Mind you I say this partially because he is a rapist, lash him to a cross and hit him with WP.
as a rape victim, you’re using your rape as an excuse to be a reactionary Christian little freak. being a victim doesn’t give you a right to get all fashy with it
Come on.
Americans really have just normalised and relish terrible things happening to people in prison huh? Social programming is one hell of a drug
The “If Criminal, then Bad Person” and the “If Bad Person, then any Bad Thing OK” combo are pervasive in America, across the political spectrum, and have been for a while. At least since the War on Drugs started, and almost certainly well before that. It is frightening to have a conversation with a seemingly well-meaning, moral person and have them casually joke about prisoners being tortured, raped, or killed. I don’t think it’s an attitude unique to America but I think the private prison industry has had a lot to do with how incredibly common the attitude is that, if someone is in prison, they must have done something wrong, and if they did something wrong, any bad thing that happens to them (forced labor, starvation, sexual assault, death) is deserved punishment. It’s ghastly.
Generalizing Americans is just as bad as the one holding the sign. Which isn’t a comment on my feelings about Trump, just that labeling a group of people as “bad” is how Trump got to the place he’s at. I would say that most people that vote for him are lied to by the corporate media which are owned by his billionaire buddies.
I mean you can find the people saying they support this in this thread. Would instead saying “a significant number of Americans” really be such a crucial distinction to make.
Facists need ro be delt with extra harshly imo. The scope of their crimes is just to great otherwise
So… you’re endorsing rape as a punishment, but only if we’re like, super duper sure they’re fascists? Is that what you mean by “extra harshly”?
Are you pretending trump isn’t a facists?
No. I’m asking if you are endorsing rape as an acceptable punishment in cases where you are highly confident, beyond a reasonable doubt, that someone is a fascist.
As long as it is someone we don’t like, then yes.
Edit: oops, I guess I need the /s
You really think rape should be tolerated and used as a punishment? That’s a serious thought in your brain?
No it’s ironic commentary on how easily people can justify horrific things happening to people they don’t like.
Or that extrajudicial punishment should exist.
What’s the point of the justice system if people just take things into their own hands? The whole point of it is to make sure that the punishment fits the crime, and that the person being punished is actually guilty.
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What kind of idiot still holds out hope that trump will ever see the inside of a jail cell
Ah yes, the weird American fascination with prison rape as a form of punishment.
“It’s okay if bad things happen to other people”
-USA in a nutshell
Remember when their military industrial complex was ravaging through Asia and middle east and people back home were like “Thank you for your service”?
People there are spineless cowards who cling to their made up “superiority” on backs of genocide, slavery, and exploitation all while marketing themselves as land of “freedom”.
But now the fascism is using the same military industrial complex against them, best they can do is do some dorky dance in costumes and an organized protest every few months.
It’s like they’re oblivious to problems they create elsewhere can also affect them in the long run. But will they learn?
Of course not.
yeah, but it’s someone we don’t like, so it’s fine.
/s just in case.
To be fair, we do put rapists in there.
We also put people who happened to have a few grams of weed in there.
Also people who commit the crime of being black near police officers.
Americans love their prison rape & not policing their inmates competently to enable more prison rape.
How is that implied? Did I miss some text? Most people seem to agree that this is what the meme is about.
Because he’s a big cell mate, and she wants something bad to happen to Trump.
Why would a person want a cell mate of someone they don’t like to be anything? (besides annoying or have a good memory (for remembering additional confessions) or something?)
Big: able to overpower
Beautiful: kinda gets to a place of romantic or sexual
Bill: definitely a dude
Edit - there’s a non-zero chance the protestor didn’t have sexual assault in mind, blinded by the pun. We can hope they were pun obsessed.
Edit - there’s a non-zero chance the protestor didn’t have sexual assault in mind, blinded by the pun. We can hope they were pun obsessed.
Highly, HIGHLY unlikely
Arhg
In that case still a chance if we had an hour with her to dig into “yo is LITERAL RAPE actually ha-ha FUNNY, pls explain” we could get her around
:-/
(Reminded of the technique of saying “what do you mean?” when folks make off-color comments that either punch down or just aren’t ever really great, forcing to explain)
For sure it’d be worth a conversation, and they may come around after a frank but patient discussion
This is the attitude we need these days thanks for positivity
Hardly. We all know trump will never actually see a day behind bars. This sign is a comment on how he should be in prison. It’s also referring to the karma (not justice) of him getting raped due to all his raping. It also is more appropriate as the GOP aims to put more people in crappy private prisons, without even attempting to solve the prison rape problem. And their public fear of homosexuality played into it as well.
It’s not meant to be taken literally and it’s a not an endorsement of actual prison rape. It is a message of protest against a president who is a traitor and deserves a bullet in the head. It’s edgy to get attention to the cause against trump. Those of us who don’t want a fascist U.S. shouldn’t fight over minor things like this. Such purity tests will divide and destroy us.Such purity tests will divide and destroy us.
Not liking rape jokes is “divisive,” but making the joke in the first place isn’t?
Drives me crazy. Shawshank Redemption is a good movie but it really did a number on the average person’s perception of prison life.
Sexual assault is funny, and rape is ok when it’s happening to prisoners, clearly.
Not ok, but less bad if the victim is a petulant rapist.
No it’s not. It is unacceptable in all cases. I don’t understand how otherwise principled “all humans are humans and deserve rights” people are suddenly a-OK with rape or torture if it’s someone they’ve decided is a “bad person” without realizing they’re doing the exact same thing fascists do to justify human rights violations, but it’s a pathological problem. If you think it’s ok for you (or anyone) to decide who is allowed to have human rights and who isn’t, you’re an authoritarian in denial and you will fall victim to the next authoritarian leader who agrees with you about who we’re allowed to torture.
I never said it was acceptable. OK is a synonym for acceptable, I said less bad, which it can be while, still being unacceptable.
What I mean is, it’s not less bad because it’s not two distinct phenomena. Whether or not someone is guilty of a heinous crime has nothing to do with whether or not they’re entitled to some basic human rights. Human rights are not treats that are allocated by an authority for good behavior and revoked if you do something naughty. If you contend that everyone has certain rights, as I do, they have to be universal and irrevocable, no matter what.
The reason they have to be irrevocable is because once you concede that they may be revoked, you now have the problem of who has the power to revoke them. You can either decide to revoke them yourself (vigilantism) or grant that power to someone else (authoritarianism). And while I am no expert in history, I feel confident in my belief that granting this authority to anyone is a recipe for disaster. The only other option, then, is to assert that even the worst possible person must still be afforded basic human rights, no matter what, and go from there. Anything less than that and you’re sliding down the slippery slope toward dictatorship.
I like it because it’s clever. It’s still kinda boomer humor about prison rape but No Kings isn’t about getting angry about something like that when we have a common enemy.
Plus who knows, Big Beautiful Bill might just be a lovely, swell fellow.
The kicker being if BBB is a big, friendly inmate doing his best to return to society, but his presence still comes across as torture to Trump because he’s hispanic.
Big Beautiful Bill was wrongly imprisoned like many in America. He is a great guy who looks out for other inmates. He is sex positive and knows that consent is mandatory. After falling in love with Bill, Trump is fully reformed and joins the antifascist cause leaving hate behind and embracing peace love and justice for all.
Futurama Fry meme
Not sure if prison rape joke or ok
its a tough one cause it is a prison rape joke, those are obviously bad and that doesn’t change here
but i won’t lie, i kinda feel like serial rapists like trump deserve to feel what it’s like to be on the other end, for once
It is a prison rape joke, and that piece of shit will have deserved it.
He’s never going to prison though. Americans are too cowardly to actually do anything about the fascists.
Plot twist, BBBill is actually a decent human being who gets trump to see the error of his ways.
(Yeah, BIG fantasy. I’d win the lottery before the odds of both those things happening)
Can you imaging the psycological trauma? He is jail and so old he can hear Death sharpening his scythe in the next room, and someone makes him see, and understand, the evil he’s spent his life on. I know it’s a fantasy, but that sort of realization would tear apart any normal person’s psyche.
Yep. Kill trump with kindness. And understanding he’s never going to be forgiven. But that’s an incredible fantasy.
