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tumblr post by seokoilua: it’s so wild to me that some people just speak english all the time… like they can’t switch it off to speak in a #real language when they need to

  • YTG123@sopuli.xyz
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    4 days ago

    relatively easy

    Very incomplete list of things about English which are not easy:

    • The sheer amount of vowel phonemes
      • French and German do “a lot of vowels” properly
      • Sometimes they’re diphthongs
      • Complete with arcane allophony
    • Stress timing ⇒ vowel reduction, weak forms
    • Adjective order???
      • Not actually difficult, it’s just weird that it even exists.
    • Sequence of tenses
      • Actually might be worse than Latin
    • The verbal system is messy, identical forms can specify different tenses/aspects/moods and can be treated differently by the syntax accordingly
      • There are somewhere between 2 and 12 tenses, and I’m genuinely not sure which is it.
      • English verbs are very expressive, but the forms are mandatory. Other languages also have a lot of markers, but they’re often optional.
    • Morphology is pretty easy for anyone who speaks a language other than the famously analytic Chinese, I guess.
    • Not technically a part of the spoken language, but spelling (at least three spelling systems not even trying to masquerade as one + GVS, also grammatical gender but only sometimes, e.g. blond/blonde).

    Some things are not difficult, but I find them endearing:

    • English is really afraid of hiatus and will do anything to avoid it
    • The GVS messed things up so hard that most English speakers (outside of Scotland and parts of England and Ireland) can’t even borrow monophthongs properly.
    • Do-support: to negate a verb, you need another verb, but the new verb has exactly zero meaning (but some verbs don’t require do-support).

    Not contesting the practicality though, and I agree that “dumb” is meaningless when it comes to language.

    • rnercle@sh.itjust.works
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      thanks for taking the time to write a thoughtful comment.

      Can you elaborate on “English is really afraid of hiatus and will do anything to avoid it"? I can’t understand what you mean by this and i’m very curious. Sounds interesting.

      The sheer amount of vowel phonemes
      French and German do “a lot of vowels” properly

      i wouldn’t consider french vowels to be properly done with regional differences and nasal complications in addition to using 3 vowels to pronounce 1 with mute consonants here and there. What a mess. But i’ve met people who can see precision in that madness 🤷