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Russia is behind this.
We weren’t evolved for this.
For thousands of years we were hunters and farmers and such, working hard in the summer and hibernating in the winter, saving night time for relaxation and fun (yes I am vastly simplifying and am aware of the exceptions).
So of course people are freaking miserable as drones for the 24-365 corporate hive.
BUT PROFITS ARE UP, UP, UP! STOCK MARKET 50k BABY
this is a great point. i always feel like i want to give up, but i feel like its literally just because im expected to be a corporate robot. despite having many issues of my own, i still really want to stick around. i love the world, i love nature, i dont want to stop experiencing it, but every day i go to work i lose all hope and its so hard to keep going.
Can you blame them?
The US is a fucking hellscape
I spend quite a bit of time there. I’m over several times a year and I genuinely don’t know how people can live like that
There’s a constant thin thread of fear, wrapped around everything, running through everything
People are afraid of the people around them. They’re afraid of their government, they’re afraid of the people who are supposed to be there to protect them, they’re afraid of their employers, they’re afraid of the unknown
I’m very careful not to take my charmed life for granted
Right?!
Now that the 2° admentment reason for having guns is totally debunked, the only reason for everyone to have guns is to live in constant fear of being shot or having to shot someone else.
Having to chose between feeding your children and getting life saving medical treatment is a very real choice most Americans can be confronted with.
Etc etc etc…
Turns out USA is only the best country in the world for rich people and paedophiles…
You mean it’s not like that everywhere? Seriously, are there still countries where you can feel safe in your day-to-day life?
I seldom lock my doors, and even if I lock the front door, the back door is always open for my dog to go in and out as he pleases
I never worry about being hit, and firearm crime here is vanishingly rare
Nowhere is perfect. My nearest pub isn’t the sort of place if ever go because the regulars are morons, but I live somewhere peaceful and serene
Yes, and it’s kinda worrying to me you have to ask. But there are absolutely places where you don’t live in the fear the next person is trying to fuck you over or harm you
Having Trump as President is how I imagine it’s like living with an abuser. A constant state of anxiety — never knowing when or where the next blow will come, but knowing it’s coming. You stop planning for the future or enjoying the now and just focus on keeping your head above water one more day. The constant stress actually creates knots in my back that sometimes put me down for days.
And when he’s finally out of office you didn’t notice you’ve been holding your breath for four years and you just want to weep with relief at surviving and escaping.
when he’s finally out of office
Thats the problem; that was the reaction after Bush, meanwhile Obama continues and expands all of Bush’s policies. Under Biden, the libs go back to brunch while concentration camps are expanded and ICE agents start showing up at immigration court hearings.
I agree in spirit but hate the “Biden expanded the camps” thing. Sure, ideally the camps are disbanded and the people released with no person ever being deported anymore.
Sadly thats unrealistic in the US with the way people there are. Expanding them was better than letting them stay overcrowded as they were, which is how most of the deaths were happening.
How about sending fewer people to the camps?
That’s the campaign promise the Democrats are going to give us in 2028. Not “dismantle the camps, and enact universal healthcare” but “reduce the number of people sent to the ovens by 5% per year”.
And then <Pikachu face.jpg> when Trump gets a third term instead of a prison sentence.
As someone who lived with an abuser for almost 30 years, can confirm, this is very accurate.
I’m glad you made it, mate.
I’m totally enraged, and actively compilling a list of people on the Epstein list, and the billionaires. What’s keeping me out of “trouble” is my family getting itself into debt. Once I’m done with debt however…
I will try the pacifist build a community approach first, but I’m already ready to throw down rhuthlessly.
Not to mention, people around the world seem to be pretty hostile to Americans right now, no matter who they are, and say they deserve it.
Absolute twaddle.
Most of us in the civilised world pity Americans
We understand that there are systemic problems that individuals can’t be held responsible for, unless they have chosen to be a part of the problem
It’s the obnoxious ones who expect the we give a fuck that they’re yanks that have a hard time, regardless of their politics
The ones who travel wearing Trump hats or otherwise forcing their idiotic politics into things reap what they sow
There’s less fear when you aren’t staring at screens with content designed to instill fear in you all day.
I don’t think that is a problem with gen z honesty. (Parents willingly let this happen)
Who said anything about gen z?
What, television?
“Ignorant people are less fearful” is such a nonsensical shit take.
Hey guys! Look at the witty thing I said online!
F that. Blaming everything on smartphones and social media is a copout and just wrong. If anything, the smartphone and social media is showing more people that they’re not going to be able to escape the capitalist rat race, and will never be able to make it big as an entertainer, influencer, or whatever else has a luxurious easy way of life.
I was afraid of the system before it was cool. Afraid of getting laid off. Afraid my landlord was going to raise rent on an already overpriced POS rental. Afraid I won’t have enough to retire. Afraid of getting asked to work overtime and afraid I’d get fired if I refused.
This crony capitalism sucks ass by design. Social media has a lot of beautiful people living lives most of us can only dream about, while many of us toil at 9to5’s we hate. Everythings more expensive. No rule of law for the most elite and powerful people in this country. They rape children and steal all our tax money and get away with it.
It ain’t social medias fault. Social media is helping to show many how much their life sucks and there’s no hope. The people supposed to be fighting for us aren’t doing shit. The checks and balances don’t work. People are seeing that this whole USA freedom nonsense was a complete fucking lie.
There’s a growing body of scientific evidence that social media use contributes to depression, anxiety, and suicide in various ways. People here are playing touting their armchair psychology but this stuff has been studied by actual psychologists and sociologists. You can easily look it up.
The pedophile Nazis who run this country are trying to take our ability to communicate away
I’m not blaming smartphones solely. I said screens. I’m blaming news media for fear-mongering. It’s a constant barrage of either pro-trump or things you should be afraid of trump doing.
Go outside and take care of your community.
People who have had friends, family, or their own personal interactions with ICE just because they have brown skin don’t need to look at a screen to be fearful.
That’s not what I’m talking about but okay
Seems like it was though. You directly mentioned screens designed to instil fear.
That’s where news comes from, doofus.
Yeah, no shit. But you don’t need to hear the news from a screen when it’s happening to you and those you know.
You’re exactly right. I don’t really have a sense of security about anything
Weak and wriggling, just how capitalists want them.
the most thing i noticed that both parties are afraid of is giving free or extremely cheap healthcare to everyone, mainly because keeping it private helps keep the parties into gop/dem.
For-profit healthcare is beyond disgusting
Slavery never went away in the US. It was rebranded, encompassing all but the ruling classes, with people’s health tied to their employment
All so some people who were already rich could get richer, and the cost to the American public is a fucking disgrace
Long live Luigi!
Thanks Trump
This is obviously a Biden residual /s
It’s lame that I have to put /s but people are stupid
The hike in the graph didn’t start with Trump. There is are A LOT of things that we can blame that monster for. This, however, is not entirely his fault.
I’d guess that it has to do with the fact, that quite frankly, most young people had their futures taken by previous generations. Trust in the government has been declining for decades. The economy has been getting worse and worse for the average person for a while. Politics have gotten more and more divisive because of the trend in both the Democratic and Republican parties going further and further right, creating a sense of conflict and distrust towards our fellow citizens.
Assuming that every single one of these problems is miraculously fixed, there’s still the problem with the climate having already suffered irreparable damage. So, yeah, tons of fucked up shit in the world, paired with significant personal problems like bullying and social isolation, as well as all of us being able to see every single shitty thing that happens, I’d be surprised if it wasn’t going up. Trump is a big part of several of those problems, to be fair.
likely it stemmed from 08, many people had no futures, even witha college degree except for certain emerging fields. and i dont think we truley recovered from it at all, certain fields like bio- and biotech likely was stagnant due to how they gatekeep hiring people. if you happened to visit any military forums about joining you notice a huge uptick in people trying to join being cannon fodder around economic turmoil.
Trump and this are both symptoms of the same underlying problem.
trump is the latest and most severe symptom, he isnt the cause, he just part of a larger problem both initiated in cohesion by both parties, foreign billionaires, and state actors.
My roommate [content warning]
spoiler
just took his own life a few weeks ago. I had no idea what he was going through because we lived very separate lives. He always seemed like he was doing OK, but in the note he left he spoke of hiding mental health issues from me because he didn’t want to stress me out while I was dealing with my own shit. I wish I could go back and tell him to bother me.
This shit is really happening, and it’s hitting all age brackets. Even if you think someone is doing OK, it’s fine just to check on them. “Hey, how are you?” Be sincere. Don’t hit them with the “What’s up?” Everyone has a preprogrammed response. But give them eye contact and a genuine tone. It’s not something you’ll ever regret.
This is heartbreaking. I’m so sorry.
Among 10-14 year-olds?
At that age, your biggest problem should be losing a video game save file, or at worst losing your first pet. All while still surrounded by loving and supportive adults.
What the hell are we doing?
It says 10-24, but I agree. It’s fucked up.
The tripled rate is specifically for 10-14.
Ah, my mistake.
teens are extra depressed, because of all th hormones raging too, and the inability of the parents to control or know what to do with such situations/.
Capitalism
What the hell are we doing?
This is the question I’ve been asking for years…
This take from adults always perplexed me. I’m surprised I made it out alive
The future in America doesn’t look too bright right now. Especially if you aren’t white, are Trans, or need to live on the planet earth.
They aren’t stupid, they can see how bad the world is
It doesn’t look to great if you are white either (particular white with low/medium income)
Some minority groups have major struggles but it is important to acknowledge everyone. Favoring certain minorities breads resentment that make racism and discrimination worse.
Sounds like some All Lives Matter BS.
Some groups, as a whole, are having a way tougher time right now. Yes that includes the white working poor. But LGBTs and PoC’s are literally in fear of an eminent end of their life by violent means. And some of them are also working poor.
Nobody is banging on your door, taking you at gunpoint to a concentration camp god-knows-where, and separate you from your kids. Some of them are even citizens or at least here lawfully. I fear a lot of the undocumented probably have already disappeared forever.
Nobody is actively challenging your right to live because of who you love, or whether or not you sit to pee.
Yeah, all lives matter. Some lives just need a little more attention at the moment.
This exact bullshit is why the elite class can keep dividing and ruling, those minorities you mentioned are still in heaven in comparison to others or some specific part of the world, does that mean that other folks around the world should not care about discourse in the USA?
The difference between working classes pale in comparison when it comes to differences in class hierarchy and power structure.
We can always appreciate extra helping hands.
Personally I am not from the USA, but best of luck and well wishes to everybody who is holding the frontline dispite the difference, always remember
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Wtf are you blabbering on about? How the fuck does “First they came” have anything to do with what I said? If anything, it directly conflicts your point.
First they came for the immigrants, but poor white folk matter more, so whatevs.
Then they came for the transgenders, but poor white folk matter more, so whatevs.
Yea, we all need to be looking out for each other. But recently we had Mormons in the neighborhood, and my neighborhood chat blew up. A few people were terrified it was the gestapo, because they are LGBT and/or (legal) immigrants, or shit, even off-white natural-born Americans.
Those people are the ones to speak up for now
My point isn’t meant to be exclusionary, but to use a few examples to point out that young people have a lot of things that could be be making them feel hopeless about the future. That sadly ends up with them more likely to take their own life.
Meh it wasnt that many years ago kids would have been mining coal for 4 or 5 years by 14, yet for some reason they still werent killing themselves. Maybe this is worrisome
I suspect we might not have very good records of child suicide from when children were mining coal, or even very good records of how many died just mining coal
Yeah but they also weren’t on insta/snap/whatever. Terrible reception in the mines.
Relevant user name.
Part of that is likely they weren’t exposed to it as an option the same way our various media does today. Maybe there’d be a rumor around town but there’d be a lot of speculation. Today people are exposed a lot more to suicide and its methods, and that could work subconsciously or even inspirationally to push people towards it.
The stricter home culture and higher religious rates probably played a factor as well. Not saying those are great deterrents but it could provide fears of shame and punishment for even thinking about suicide.
Plus them shits didnt have time to kill themselves after working 16hrs a day 7 days a week.
Losing your first pet is no small event :|
Sure, but it’s not something anyone should be killing themselves over. That’s happened for millennia, I’d say that’s probably unrelated to this graph.
This feels weirdly sensational which is crazy since it is a article about a heavy topic
Shower thought - If we all commit suicide; we can end suicide forever. /s, I’m just kidding. Poor taste?
Tastes like almonds.
Uh, yeah, incredibly poor taste
My uncle took his own life when he was 19. He didn’t leave a note. He didn’t warn anyone. Just one morning my grandmother walked in and saw him hunched over on his bed completely pale, all the blood drained out of his face. There was a glass of cyanide in water on his bedside table.
It broke them. Neither of my grandparents recovered. Years later I was staying with them for a while and I overheard my grandmother say “we have our son back”.
Every suicide is like that. It’s like a bomb that shatters the lives of everyone close to you. It isn’t a solution. It doesn’t end the pain. It just passes it on to everyone else. But nobody would do it if the pain were bearable. “Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping.” There is no blame, no judgment, only tragedy and pain.
But people who survive and find help Will tell you that it gets better. That they’re glad they survived and that recovery is possible So if you are thinking of suicide, know that it is the worst possible option, no matter how hopeless it seems. There’s always another way.
Absolutely zero doubt Trump is largely responsible. Fuck this country.
Of course Trump made it worse faster, but the graph is clearly increasing over the entire time axis, in particular during the Obama and Biden administrations.
This is a symptom of the capitalist class continuously waging class warfare against the working class. Simply changing the figurehead will never be good enough to reverse this trend or any of the 69 bajillion other graphs that show us that for the working class, our world is falling apart!
The Epstein class, who shapes the law but is not beholden to it
hes just the latest symptom of a larger systemic problem.
And yet has personally increased mental health problems by a lot
The article talks about a rise since the 1990s. But yes, more spikes during Trump terms.
largely
make er great!
In 2023, suicide rates were highest among 85+ and among men.
Rates are also rising among rural white men.
- Easy access to firearms. Men are more likely to use a gun than woman though this is changing.
- Social isolation. Worse in rural areas and among single men.
- Old social nets like church and fraternities are shrinking. Black men in rural areas are more likely to attend church where social support is available.
- Lack of mental health care. Men are less likely to seek out mental health care even when it is available.
- Financial stress (job loss, status loss, pressure)
Easy access to firearms.
This is a BS statement. Firearms have ALWAYS been easy to get in the U.S. It used be even easier than it is now. Yet it’s NOW that we have this increase in the suicide rate. Maybe try looking at reasons for suicide such as the the divisions in this country rather than just blaming a tool.
Men are more likely to use a gun for suicide, as they have always been, for the same reason they go to a store with something in mind to buy, buy that something then walk out. Men focus on the goal so they obviously go for the most effective method of achieving the goal.
Denial
Yeah. You should move past that.
I mean at 85+ it’s kinda just checking out and pretty reasonable. My retirement plan is a 12 gauge and I’m pretty sure I’m not going to see that age and all the hellish torment living that long entails.
Smith and Wesson also carries my health insurance! They are a fantastic provider. Very cost-effective.
Old social nets like church and fraternities are shrinking. Black men in rural areas are more likely to attend church where social support is available.
As an atheist this is pretty much the one thing I think religion is good for. A sense of community for those who attend regularly.
I think the other good thing it’s for is controlling the village idiots. Now it just empowers them.
Human beings are social animals. Most of us are disconnected from our “tribe” or “herd”. We aren’t meant to exist like this. The oligarchs have designed a system to make everyone hate each other … its working as intended.
Everyone is isolated watching corporate propaganda on magic boxes. No safety net, no community. Move from wage slavery location to propaganda consumption location in an enclosed box.
Human beings aren’t built for this lifestyle.
I have looked at my own life, and if I could choose one realistic change that would improve my quality of life, it would be more genuine (read: non-transactional) social connection. More friends, and more time with my friends. More sense of community.
I mean, who is it? Is it more my enemy or my friend?
Transgender individuals are at higher risk for suicide relative to nontransgender people
With the steadily intensifying pogrom against the LGBTQ community, particularly in academic settings, this cohort is deliberately being pushed to the brink by state officials intent on cleansing them from the population at large.
Im afraid of you don’t look at others and see yourself, you are already dead inside.
You should look inside yourself. At what level would your mind accept that you are at war? At what level would you accept that losses to your group are acceptable if lesser than your enemy? Keep in mind, if your answer is none, then the enemy wins via attrition.
Who is my enemy?
That is for you to decide
You shouldn’t categorise people into enemies and friends. Everyone can be your friend.
That’s just naive in this context.
