Voting isn’t just about winning. It’s about telling the powers-that-be what you want.
You know how people describe the free market as “voting with your dollar”? Voting is like voting with your dollar. Except it’s voting with your vote.
Honestly, I think American democracy is already almost dead. America is a corporatocracy. The politicians think their job is to please the corporations, and the corporations will squeeze the life out of America as far as possible. Our communities are dead. People are broke and miserable. Families are falling apart. We’re turning against each other. The Democrats aren’t going to fix this. The Democrats helped create this.
The Democrats have to give us a reason to vote for them. They should be working to earn our vote rather than working to serve the corporations. “Vote blue no matter who” gives the Democrats no incentive to be better.
Voting a third party is fine as long as you understand you are enabling trump and are making things worse for Palestineans and the millions who will suffer from worse climate change outcomes etc.
If that’s something to feel proud about, that’s, well, up to you.
Voting a third party is fine as long as you understand you are enabling trump
Nope. If I wanted to vote for Trump, I’d vote for Trump. Like almost half of the country is doing.
Pretending your choices don’t have consequences is childish and not a position worthy of respect.
If you see a toddler running into traffic and you don’t stop them, sure you didn’t make it happen but you are still responsible. Similarly, if you understand the pain that trump will cause and you don’t help stop it, that’s on you.
It’s your choice but be adult enough to admit the consequences of your choice.
Pretending your choices don’t have consequences is childish and not a position worthy of respect.
Pretending that just because one doesn’t vote for democrats, MUST be enabling Trump, is childish and not a position worthy of respect.
Voting for a candidate that aligns with my values is a responsible and thoughtful choice, not a refusal to acknowledge consequences.
Supporting third-party candidates challenges the status quo and pushes for the real change that major parties often ignore.
Blaming voters for the actions of others oversimplifies the complexity of our political system and ignores the importance of advocating for what we truly believe in.
It’s your choice but be adult enough to admit the consequences of your choice.
Yes, it IS my choice, and I explained why I am doing it, and I’m proud of it. Nothing you have said has changed my mind at all. I vote for Green Party and Socialist causes/issues. And I will continue so. Regardless of how many try to bully me or try to sway my vote.
Pretending that just because one doesn’t vote for democrats, MUST be enabling Trump, is childish and not a position worthy of respect.
Really? The trumpian “I’m rubber, you’re glue” style of rhetoric?
I think though, you’re missing the point of the earlier example so I’ll simplify by labelling.
You want to eat some ice cream. (That’s voting third party.) As you’re about to take a bite, a small child runs into the road (this is the consequences of a trump victory, say more dead Palestineans, no chance to mitigate climate change etc.) Now, you are the closest “adult.” Sure, the kid’s parents (the rest of America) should be there to stop this from happening so you can just enjoy your ice cream. Unfortunately, saving the child requires dropping the ice cream.
That’s kind of the scenario. Now, legally, I don’t think you would be liable for choosing the ice cream over saving the child. But, morally… Well, I’m just curious as to whether the answer is still “meh, screw 'em, I’d like my ice cream.” or how the analogy doesn’t apply.
To be a responsible member of a democratic society, it is important to consider, appreciate and acknowledge the choices of our votes.
Probably true. What’s your point? The hypothetical situation is anything but realistic. It’s a conversational vehicle to expose a forced choice dynamic, and to a lesser extent harm-reduction.
Scenarios with obvious limitations and specific stories are used to highlight critical thinking concepts in simple ways for audiences who don’t grasp the situation.
They aren’t the only way to discuss a situation, but the above comment deemed a simplified hypothetical was conversationally useful.
so you are for any party that has the best sales pitch, genocide, and drunk driving but draw on the line on third parties who are in the streets right now protesting for a better world / human life+dignity and saying that they might have a solution at least one we have not considered or tried while your party throws an expensive gala with celebs?
how does throwing a gala to celebrate the democrats help anyone
we have third parties fighting for me and you while actively protesting said gala out in the street so you and your fellow earthlings can have a better tomorrow yes they went that far
During President Biden’s speech on the first night of the DNC, protesters briefly unfurled a banner that read “Stop Arming Israel,” before it was wrested away by convention staff. We speak to three members of the group Delegates Against Genocide who organized and carried out the action: Esam Boraey, a human rights activist and delegate from Connecticut; Florida DNC member Nadia Ahmad; and progressive Jewish activist Liano Sharon, an elected delegate from Michigan. “We were there specifically to confront President Joe Biden,” says Ahmad, explaining why the protesters chose to disrupt Biden’s speech. “He’s the one who can stop this genocide by picking up the phone and making a phone call, and he has chosen not to do that.”
Israel and Palestine
Further information: American Jews in politics, Arab lobby in the United States, and Israel lobby in the United States
The 2012 Democratic Party platform endorses maintaining commitment to Israel’s security, claiming a strong and secure Israel is vital because of strategic interests and common values, the Obama administration providing nearly $10 billion to Israel in the past three years, military support for Israel, such as the Iron Dome system, the Egypt–Israel peace treaty, the Israel–Jordan peace treaty, and recognizing Jerusalem as and remains the capital of Israel, and opposes any attempt to delegitimize Israel on the world stage.[15][additional citation(s) needed] The platform also states that Democratic Party seeks peace between Israelis and Palestinians, and supports a two-state solution, under conditions that Israel’s security concerns are met and any Palestinian partner must recognize Israel’s right to exist, reject violence, and adhere to existing agreements.[14]
“You’ve had two beers, I’m getting a ride home with tequila Tim.”
“He just puked on himself and rinsed his mouth with three more shots!”
“Whatever. I might die and we might kill some randoms on the way home buy maybe you’ll learn your lesson for next time!”
Or you could realize that those two drivers are not your only options. Get a cab, walk to a bus stop, or find a different driver.
It’s not about teaching Tim a lesson. It’s about getting yourself home safely.
What is the other option in American democracy? A third party that’s not going to win?
Voting isn’t just about winning. It’s about telling the powers-that-be what you want.
You know how people describe the free market as “voting with your dollar”? Voting is like voting with your dollar. Except it’s voting with your vote.
Honestly, I think American democracy is already almost dead. America is a corporatocracy. The politicians think their job is to please the corporations, and the corporations will squeeze the life out of America as far as possible. Our communities are dead. People are broke and miserable. Families are falling apart. We’re turning against each other. The Democrats aren’t going to fix this. The Democrats helped create this.
The Democrats have to give us a reason to vote for them. They should be working to earn our vote rather than working to serve the corporations. “Vote blue no matter who” gives the Democrats no incentive to be better.
Do you think that people should ONLY vote for a party that is going to win? That’s not very democratic.
I’m voting third party. And proud of it.
I mean, if you want things to get better, yes.
Voting a third party is fine as long as you understand you are enabling trump and are making things worse for Palestineans and the millions who will suffer from worse climate change outcomes etc.
If that’s something to feel proud about, that’s, well, up to you.
Like I said, that’s not very democratic. And I’m very glad that not everyone believes that.
Nope. If I wanted to vote for Trump, I’d vote for Trump. Like almost half of the country is doing.
Very proud to vote third party! Thank you!
Pretending your choices don’t have consequences is childish and not a position worthy of respect.
If you see a toddler running into traffic and you don’t stop them, sure you didn’t make it happen but you are still responsible. Similarly, if you understand the pain that trump will cause and you don’t help stop it, that’s on you.
It’s your choice but be adult enough to admit the consequences of your choice.
Pretending that just because one doesn’t vote for democrats, MUST be enabling Trump, is childish and not a position worthy of respect.
Voting for a candidate that aligns with my values is a responsible and thoughtful choice, not a refusal to acknowledge consequences.
Supporting third-party candidates challenges the status quo and pushes for the real change that major parties often ignore.
Blaming voters for the actions of others oversimplifies the complexity of our political system and ignores the importance of advocating for what we truly believe in.
Yes, it IS my choice, and I explained why I am doing it, and I’m proud of it. Nothing you have said has changed my mind at all. I vote for Green Party and Socialist causes/issues. And I will continue so. Regardless of how many try to bully me or try to sway my vote.
Really? The trumpian “I’m rubber, you’re glue” style of rhetoric?
I think though, you’re missing the point of the earlier example so I’ll simplify by labelling.
You want to eat some ice cream. (That’s voting third party.) As you’re about to take a bite, a small child runs into the road (this is the consequences of a trump victory, say more dead Palestineans, no chance to mitigate climate change etc.) Now, you are the closest “adult.” Sure, the kid’s parents (the rest of America) should be there to stop this from happening so you can just enjoy your ice cream. Unfortunately, saving the child requires dropping the ice cream.
That’s kind of the scenario. Now, legally, I don’t think you would be liable for choosing the ice cream over saving the child. But, morally… Well, I’m just curious as to whether the answer is still “meh, screw 'em, I’d like my ice cream.” or how the analogy doesn’t apply.
To be a responsible member of a democratic society, it is important to consider, appreciate and acknowledge the choices of our votes.
Says the person who takes their ball and goes home to the Green party because the Dems aren’t “perfect” enough.
Nope. Bar is 100 miles from anywhere, no bus, no one else left with a car.
Nobody puts a bar 100 miles from anywhere. People don’t drive an hour and a half to go to bar.
It’s an unrealistic hypothetical, like a third party candidate in the first place lol
I bet there are more third-party candidates in America than bars that are 100 miles from anything.
Probably true. What’s your point? The hypothetical situation is anything but realistic. It’s a conversational vehicle to expose a forced choice dynamic, and to a lesser extent harm-reduction.
Do you think we’re in the bar right now?
I love that you have to make up impossible scenarios to justify why you won’t vote third party.
They aren’t the only way to discuss a situation, but the above comment deemed a simplified hypothetical was conversationally useful.
I guess they were optimistic lol
buzzed driving is still driving intoxicated and drunk driving is also drunk driving
so you are for drunk driving and for Harris but third parties are where you draw the line?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Z3GcdgkQ8
I am for what would actually help.
In the case of Palestine, a vote for a third party helps those who would make things worse for innocent Palestineans.
pardon correct what said
so you are for any party that has the best sales pitch, genocide, and drunk driving but draw on the line on third parties who are in the streets right now protesting for a better world / human life+dignity and saying that they might have a solution at least one we have not considered or tried while your party throws an expensive gala with celebs?
How does voting for a third party help Palestineans?
how does throwing a gala to celebrate the democrats help anyone
we have third parties fighting for me and you while actively protesting said gala out in the street so you and your fellow earthlings can have a better tomorrow yes they went that far
The “gala” is about electing democrats, the party which is much more sympathetic to Palestineans than the alternative.
Getting democrats elected is much more likely to help Palestineans. Making it harder to elect the democrats is much more likely to harm Palestineans.
This, unlike the Middle East, isn’t particularly complicated.
https://www.democracynow.org/2024/8/20/dnc_biden_speech_palestine_protest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Democratic_Party_(United_States)
What point are you trying to make?
Dude, you are on a roll! I commend you for standing up for yourself and being an independent thinker!
Good on ya, mate!
No one is supporting drunk driving.
In the silly hypothetical, you MUST leave the bar in a car. There are only 2.
You have to pick. It’s not realistic because in real life you could get an Uber or walk.
I’m with 2 beers over tim.