• TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Jill Stein cannot win this election. She can only spoil it for Kamala Harris and in so doing pass the win to Donald Trump.

      Donald Trump and the RNC are a material threat to democracy in the USA.

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        Maybe the Democrats should be nicer to Green Voters instead of calling them idiots or traitors every time they say they are gonna vote Green.

        I’m not voting Green party, but the hate and rudeness I have received here guaranteed that I won’t vote Democrat. No way.

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          the hate and rudeness I have received here guaranteed that I won’t vote Democrat. No way.

          Which, in the eyes of rational people, makes you an idiot and a traitor. An idiot, because you’re letting your bruised ego get in the way of making the only rational choice in the upcoming election, potentially causing a much greater amount of harm in the future. And a traitor, because the person you’re most benefitting by your aforementioned idiocy is someone who has already committed treason against his country, and has stated on several occasions that he would like to do away with basic tenets of democracy if he gets elected.

          So, you might balk at both labels, but both are accurate. If you don’t like it, you have two options: either change your behavior, or pretend that self-affirmations will actually alter reality.

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              Right, which is the second of the two options. I’m assuming this is also accompanied by you occasionally standing in front of a mirror saying: “I am not stupid. I am not a traitor. People like me.” Delusion’s a powerful thing.

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        Trump is the bed liberals made for themselves when they kept punching left and ignoring everyone telling them what would happen if you supported Clinton in 2016. And we were right about how things played out.

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          100%. Harris is no peach either. I’d much rather someone with Stein’s policies win.

          But she doesn’t have any chance. And it’s imperative that Trump not win.

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              And let’s be honest here, steins foreign policy is almost literally cut and pasted from the kremlin’s party line. I assume they fixed some translation errors.

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              It can both be true that the DNC helped in some way to move the Overton Window in the US rightward and that the primary movers of said window, the fascist RNC party, must not win the election or the consequences will be dire.

              Stein’s policies are simply more progressive and better for America. But they’re likely unobtainable in the current political climate and she can afford to make such grandiose goals as policy because she isn’t beholden to them as she has no chance of winning.

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                Fuck Jill Stein. I’m not interested in evaluating the policy positions of a wack job who is now clearly only here to be a spoiler.

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            I like some of Stein’s policies, but a lot of them are just silly and naive. She wants to abolish the Electoral College, for instance. Great, but since that’s directly in the Constitution, she’s going to get an amendment through with a 2/3rds vote in both houses of Congress and ratified by 3/4ths the states? Which kinda requires some of the red ones?

            Then big one for me, is “peace-loving” Stein is critical of Ukraine aid. I cannot support hanging them out to dry like that, even though we promised to help keep them secure after convincing them to de-nuclearize, after the fall of the USSR in the Budapest Memorandum.

            Our word has to be worth more than that.

            I’m all for progress towards a utopian world, but offering one as your policy platform is a little manipulative when we have a government of checks and balances that has some republicans in it.

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        Trump is an incompetent idiot. I don’t think he’s a threat to democracy though. I’m not afraid of him. You are free to be, but nah, I’m not.

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          The man literally advocated for an American Kristallnacht at a rally recently.

          You are a fool to not see him and his dictatorial ambitions as a threat. Project 2025 clearly outlines the RNC’s goals to shift the nation towards a dictatorship and remove dissident ideologies by force.

          Furthermore, the future for Palestine will fare no better under Trump than Harris. All Stein is doing by purposely trying to spoil a win for Harris is enabling and aiding the growth of fascism in the US.

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            How is Stein a spoiler? Most of us wouldnt vote for Harris even if there were no 3rd party. Harris is now backed by the guy that helped write P2025 and helped found the Heritage Foundation, and that’s how it will end up being bipartisan with liberals supporting it in a few years. Liberals are cheering in their party becoming a full fledged openly right wing party

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              How are you someone to be taken seriously? Like Stein, there’s public history to consider.

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              She’s a spoiler because she can’t get to 270. It’s literally impossible because she’s not on enough ballots.

              Also dude liberals are and have always been center right…Clinton’s didn’t push the gop further right, the GOP went on their own.

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                She’s on enough ballots to get 538 The DNC pushed the RNC further to the right as they kept pushing their own party to the right.

                If you didn’t know about Stein I’m betting you know nothing about triangulation, the DLC, Third Way Democrats. All Bill Clinton policies to shift your party into becoming right wing conservatives they are today. Far enough right wing for people like Heritage Foundation founder members endorsing Harris. The same guy that wrote P2025.

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                  The Heritage Foundation was founded on February 16, 1973, during the Nixon administration by Paul Weyrich, Edwin Feulner, and Joseph Coors.[11][12][13]

                  So uh, which one endorsed Harris? And Proj 2025 has dozens of authors, not one btw.

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                I’m guessing you wouldn’t know politicalcorruption if it was standing in front of demanding you vote for it

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      As you well know, Trump has already tried a coup once and has promised many authoritarian horrors. No one believes you don’t know about that stuff.

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      “When I’m president you’ll never have to [get to] vote again!”-the orange turd.

      But it’s okay, Because you’re not afraid of trump.

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          For everyone else reading, this is the mask off moment of this poster’s true intentions with the incessant propaganda.

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            What do you think the mask off moment is? I have always said I am not scared of Trump. In several posts. Since day one. In fact, even the person I was replying referenced the fact that I always say I’m not afraid of Trump.

            So what mask do you think is off?

            Here let me actually make it bold for you, so you can remember, even tho I have said it several times: I don’t care if Trump wins, because I’m not afraid of him. I’m not voting for Trump or Harris. I don’t like either one. I. Don’t. Care.

            And what propaganda have I posted? I don’t write the news articles, friend. I just post them. And even then, it’s not the article, it’s just a link to an article.

            Did you think I was the one writing them, hosting them, editing them, or publishing them!? If you feel the news org that writes and hosts the articles are writing propaganda, have you written to them about your concerns?