In which case, I cannot argue with. Which means the Democrats most certainly do not support the interests of the working class, and just want power over others. Which means, none of us should be voting for them, or the GOP.
So by “interests of the working class”, you don’t mean “listen to the working class”. You mean “tell the working class what their interests are”.
No, I mean “listen to, and address them”… ie, the economy is in the shitter. The working class is telling you its in the shitter. So, agree that’s what they are facing, and then doing something about it, that actually solves the problem.
So, no, I do not mean “telling them what their interests are”, we already know what the interests of the working class is: Economic security, housing security, food security, and access to health care and education.
A lot of working class folks think the causes of those issues are: Brown people, women working, women voting, not being christian… etc etc. All of those are easily debunked as the cause, so the job is to educate them by showing them the root cause of those issues: The current ruling class of oligarchs, not their fellow workers.
How do you address them when they say they don’t want a stateless society?
A stateless society is an end goal, and there’s much work between now and that. Sure, they don’t want one now, they say, but ever notice how often the complaint is “The government is hurting me, and I want it to stop…”?
Eventually, the solution to that is to get rid of the problem… The state. But that can’t happen until class consciousness has reached the revolutionary point, and the US is double timing it’s way to that, given the current Gini coefficient.
In the meantime, however, we CAN work to take power from the state, and giving it back to the people, one step at a time.
Please don’t fall into that trap of thinking there’s a Magic Button that just turns everything Full Communism.
Probably because neither is our goal? I mean, leftists want no state, no classes, and no money.
Democrats definitely don’t want a stateless society. So they definitely should not listen to leftists.
In which case, I cannot argue with. Which means the Democrats most certainly do not support the interests of the working class, and just want power over others. Which means, none of us should be voting for them, or the GOP.
Plenty of people in the working class don’t want a stateless society, either.
Plenty of people in the working class want a fascist dictator too… That’s why its our job to work on raising class consciousness still.
And yes, the majoritarianism argument is to be had, as well.
So by “interests of the working class”, you don’t mean “listen to the working class”. You mean “tell the working class what their interests are”.
Classic leftist. And you accuse Democrats of wanting power over others.
No, I mean “listen to, and address them”… ie, the economy is in the shitter. The working class is telling you its in the shitter. So, agree that’s what they are facing, and then doing something about it, that actually solves the problem.
So, no, I do not mean “telling them what their interests are”, we already know what the interests of the working class is: Economic security, housing security, food security, and access to health care and education.
A lot of working class folks think the causes of those issues are: Brown people, women working, women voting, not being christian… etc etc. All of those are easily debunked as the cause, so the job is to educate them by showing them the root cause of those issues: The current ruling class of oligarchs, not their fellow workers.
Are you listening when the vast majority tell you they don’t want a stateless society?
A stateless society is an end goal, and there’s much work between now and that. Sure, they don’t want one now, they say, but ever notice how often the complaint is “The government is hurting me, and I want it to stop…”?
Eventually, the solution to that is to get rid of the problem… The state. But that can’t happen until class consciousness has reached the revolutionary point, and the US is double timing it’s way to that, given the current Gini coefficient.
In the meantime, however, we CAN work to take power from the state, and giving it back to the people, one step at a time.
Please don’t fall into that trap of thinking there’s a Magic Button that just turns everything Full Communism.