Sen. John Fetterman (D-Penn.) called some of his colleaguesā quickness to blame Israel for the hospital blast in Gaza ādisturbingā in a statement Wednesday.
āItās truly disturbing that Members of Congress rushed to blame Israel for the hospital tragedy in Gaza,ā Fetterman said in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Yeah and thatās made significantly more challenging when you begin from a position of āblame Israelā and outright lie about multiple āfactsā
There is no way you are both closely following the situation (as you imply) and also believe this to be true
Truth comes more readily when you stop lying to confirm your own biases
Are you denying that the blast hit the hospital? Hereās a high resolution image the morning after the blast. The marks are mine. Thereās visible damage to the windows (you can see also here taken the night of the blast) and part of the outside structure of the hospital. Purple X is origin point of explosion. There was also damage to the roof of a building less than 30m away. Hereās another image that shows shrapnel damage to the roof of the hospital.
Even ignoring that, letās pretend all of the damage was strictly limited to the parking lot and the area around the parking lot (even though thatās not true). When hundreds of people are using the grassy field next to the hospital parking lot as a temporary shelter and a bomb kills them, is it wrong to say the bomb āhit the hospitalā?
Going further, is it wrong to say the probability of a misfiring rocket landing precisely the point where hundreds of people happening to be sheltering, right next to a hospital, is low?
Again, if we assume rocket failures are random then if we pick random points on a city to drop a rocket, the chances of it killing hundreds of people are very slim. What difference does it make, in the context of the premise of my original comment, if it landed on the hospital or on the parking lot next to the hospital? The probability is the same. The point was that is was an unlikely place for a rocket to fall. Not impossible. You flip a coin 5 times and sometimes youāll get heads 5 times. If you flipped a coin 25 times and it landed heads 25 times in a row, itās more probable that there is something wrong with the coin.
Please address other things. I donāt believe you would have such a response to my comment if a semantics discussion on what constitutes as āhitting a hospitalā was your main point of contention with my comment.
This is a far cry from ālanded directly stop the hospital in such a way as to maximize civilian casualtiesā
Youāre just disingenuous at every point. Even in this post.
This is ignoring that
A) itās a public area and there are lots of people looking for shelter
B) there was likely a munitions dump near the hospital because Hamas and other militant groups readily do that
C) bigger, more dangerous, less commonly-used rockets are more likely to have incidents, for all of those very reasons in the descriptor.
D) Israeli attacks have been precision attacks thus far, full stop. The idea that they are indiscriminately bombing is absurd and does not match evidence of said bombings. If they wanted the hospital levelled to maximize civilian casualties, as you literally state, then the hospital would not be standing.
Oh and E) itās on fucking video happening and we have audio of IJ soldiers discussing it
I donāt believe youāre engaging in this topic in good faith at all.
I will repeat myself because now I realize you are not understanding. Read carefully.
If I pick a random point on a map, and decide to drop a bomb there - no matter the size - the chances of it causing hundreds of deaths is low. Even strong munitions. This āeventā happened to cause hundreds of deaths. This is a rare occurrence. Go ahead and randomly throw a dart onto a map of a large city. Then kill everyone within 10 meters of that point. The vast majority of the time, youāre not going to get hundreds of deaths.
Thatās the only claim Iām trying to make here. The probability of such an event happening is low. I donāt see how that is a controversial statement.
I donāt understand how this is relevant to the discussion at hand. Please elaborate.
Itās still unusual. If big rockets fail at 5x the rate as small one, but you send out 9 big rockets and 1 big one, itās still more likely for a failure to be the small one. Realistically, I think itās the opposite though. The big ones are donated by Iran which has a much more advanced defense industry. The small ones are jerry rigged together by Hamas themselves.
Here you let slip your bias. Israel themselves announced 6 days into the war that they had dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza. Itās been 12 days into the war, if we assume the same ratio thatās 12,000 bombs. The same government that couldnāt stop some terrorists from literally driving a bulldozer up to the border wall is now somehow capable of having a mountain of precise and accurate intelligence of over 10,000 targets?
As for the precision attacksā¦ please see this video with a large stock of MK84 bombs. There are more videos of them loading it onto their planes. These arenāt precision guided munitions. They are dumb bombs. read more about them here
I want to re-iterate the ridiculous amount of bombs they have dropped. In 2019 during the ENTIRE YEAR the United States dropped 7,500 bombs on Afghanistan. And 2019 was a particularly bad year, it was the most bombs in the past decade.
Consider the size of Afghanistan. Consider the size and population density of Gaza.
Come on man, think for yourself a little bit. Stop floating in the mayonnaise.
Cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable, I know. The people you think are good guys are actually brutally murdering thousands of people. Donāt worry, just like we eventually realized as a society that the Iraq war was a crime, we will eventually realize that this destruction of Gaza is a crime. Of course, that doesnāt help the thousands of dead children.
One can believe that the destruction of Gaza is a crime and also believe that this particular explosion was caused by some other group.
i agree absolutely.
i donāt know what happened with the hospital. i donāt know how many people died. i donāt even know who stands to benefit, really. what has been the immediate after-effects of the attack?
the US and Israel are now isolated from the western world. Who would want that? Well, Hamas is the obvious one. Iran and Russia, too. But what about Israel? Now the US and Western Europe are further committed to this conflict, and they donāt have to juggle the interests of the Arab countries.
so the typical question - cuo bono - doesnāt even help here.
the only constant i have is the nagging feeling that we are being lied to. i think everything happened too fast and the probability of such an event too low for it to be an accident.
Lol the irony of
Maybe you do genuinely believe the shit you say but thatās not exactly better lol