You are not a God who decides what’s art and what’s not… sorry
If art is the ability to paint then photography is not art. If art does not require ability to hand paint then AI is art.
Logical inconsistencies are for religions and gods.
… He literally said it was art you buffoon. Not to mention, photography isn’t just pushing a button and getting a result, photography as art takes a lot of effort.
You can agree with me in a more open-minded vision of art.
I consider everything art, even things not made by humans or even living forms. Everything that tickles my mind is art for me, no matter how it was made.
Interesting take. I personally disagree - I define art as the human experience/emotions being expressed exclusively by humans through various mediums. To me, that human element is what makes art “art” as it were. AI might be able to produce approximations of art and some of it might even look quite nice, but I don’t consider it “art” in the way I define the word.
I was thinking about a mountain (I’m sitting in front of one right now).
A mountain is beautiful, so beautiful that many humans have made paintings of it, take pictures, write poems. They have try to mimic the mountain beauty with their tools. But they did not make the mountain. Erosion made it. In reality here humans are just copying something nature made and calling it “their art”, but they did not make those shapes and colors, they did not create the emotions that everyone seeing the mountain feels. They are just replicating it.
Here the artist is just erosion, the wind and the rain, the trees and the snow, not a human being.
If art is just human creativity and expression, why would the media, format or process used for expressing would matter, then? Why classify between art or not arr depending on which computer program would be used to make it?
Everything a human made being used for expressing something would be art. By that definition.
Also including creativity here would be plain wrong, as a great deal of art is representative, not creative. Like my mountain example, humans that represent that mountain on a canvas are not creating anything, humans taking pictures of that mountain are not using their creativity, they are just representing something that was created by something different. As said before, humans did not created the mountain, they are just representing it.
Specially a photographer for instance, would just be pushing a button and getting a exact picture of the mountain that was created by nature. I don’t think if we could say that creativity was used to take that picture.
Are we starting to notice how ridiculous and useless is to try gatekeep art or shall I go on?
I will try to make it more clear, if you didn’t understand me.
not all art is creative. A great deal of art is representative. Saying that art NEEDS to be creative is conflictive. Art can be representative, just picturing something beautiful or not without any creativity effort on the artist.
Art being expressive does not conflict with AI generated art. As it is just a tool used by a human to express themselves. A human being can use an AI to make true an image they have on their head in order to express that image to the world. So AI art will enter in your definition of art being a product of human expression.
I’m just analysing you definition of art. Let’s be clear that it’s not my own definition, nor I agree with it. But you definition is faulty at its intention which is trying to come out with a definition that excludes only AI art from an art definition while including any other technique. Try again. Let’s see how convoluted could you ad hoc definition of art can be.
Keep trying really. It’s interesting seeing some people realize how in all human history we have been unable to came up with a united and universal definition of art. It is probably one of the most vague concepts we have as humans. And of course pushing politics in the definition (we all know this is truly about politics, there is not facade here) is the oldest trick in the book. I remember when I studied story of art, that this have been a recurrent debate. Is a white toilet art? Is Malevich black square art? People have been debating this for ages. Many times with underlying political agendas, of course.
You are not a God who decides what’s art and what’s not… sorry
If art is the ability to paint then photography is not art. If art does not require ability to hand paint then AI is art. Logical inconsistencies are for religions and gods.
… He literally said it was art you buffoon. Not to mention, photography isn’t just pushing a button and getting a result, photography as art takes a lot of effort.
You are just a bully following me and insulting me.Reported and blocked.
You’re the idiot posting this crap everywhere, you can’t get mad when people call you out.
I can’t agree with you if I did my friend will kill me xD. He took photography course in school for 4 years.
You can agree with me in a more open-minded vision of art.
I consider everything art, even things not made by humans or even living forms. Everything that tickles my mind is art for me, no matter how it was made.
Interesting take. I personally disagree - I define art as the human experience/emotions being expressed exclusively by humans through various mediums. To me, that human element is what makes art “art” as it were. AI might be able to produce approximations of art and some of it might even look quite nice, but I don’t consider it “art” in the way I define the word.
I don’t even mean AI here.
I was thinking about a mountain (I’m sitting in front of one right now).
A mountain is beautiful, so beautiful that many humans have made paintings of it, take pictures, write poems. They have try to mimic the mountain beauty with their tools. But they did not make the mountain. Erosion made it. In reality here humans are just copying something nature made and calling it “their art”, but they did not make those shapes and colors, they did not create the emotions that everyone seeing the mountain feels. They are just replicating it. Here the artist is just erosion, the wind and the rain, the trees and the snow, not a human being.
It sounds like you’re conflating art and beauty.
Art is about human creativity and expression. It doesn’t have to be beautiful, and beauty doesn’t have to be art.
If art is just human creativity and expression, why would the media, format or process used for expressing would matter, then? Why classify between art or not arr depending on which computer program would be used to make it?
Everything a human made being used for expressing something would be art. By that definition.
Also including creativity here would be plain wrong, as a great deal of art is representative, not creative. Like my mountain example, humans that represent that mountain on a canvas are not creating anything, humans taking pictures of that mountain are not using their creativity, they are just representing something that was created by something different. As said before, humans did not created the mountain, they are just representing it. Specially a photographer for instance, would just be pushing a button and getting a exact picture of the mountain that was created by nature. I don’t think if we could say that creativity was used to take that picture.
Are we starting to notice how ridiculous and useless is to try gatekeep art or shall I go on?
None of what you just said has anything to do with the point I was making.
I will try to make it more clear, if you didn’t understand me.
not all art is creative. A great deal of art is representative. Saying that art NEEDS to be creative is conflictive. Art can be representative, just picturing something beautiful or not without any creativity effort on the artist.
Art being expressive does not conflict with AI generated art. As it is just a tool used by a human to express themselves. A human being can use an AI to make true an image they have on their head in order to express that image to the world. So AI art will enter in your definition of art being a product of human expression.
I’m just analysing you definition of art. Let’s be clear that it’s not my own definition, nor I agree with it. But you definition is faulty at its intention which is trying to come out with a definition that excludes only AI art from an art definition while including any other technique. Try again. Let’s see how convoluted could you ad hoc definition of art can be.
Keep trying really. It’s interesting seeing some people realize how in all human history we have been unable to came up with a united and universal definition of art. It is probably one of the most vague concepts we have as humans. And of course pushing politics in the definition (we all know this is truly about politics, there is not facade here) is the oldest trick in the book. I remember when I studied story of art, that this have been a recurrent debate. Is a white toilet art? Is Malevich black square art? People have been debating this for ages. Many times with underlying political agendas, of course.