If a member of the wealth class is brutally killed, upset at their discontinuation is a “mentality issue”
Sounds like that dipshit has a reality issue.
Correct. If you own some data, nothing stops you from writing it to whatever media you want, be it laser discs, ribbon or HDD. Do console gamers own anything? Most probably not.
It’s true tho, we never owned games, music, or movies on physical media either. We owned the revokable rights to view/use that copy of the media for private usage.
Every teacher that showed a movie in class broke a federal law.
It was just one of those things that was unenforceable and no one understood.
It doesn’t mean we should accept not owning media, it just means we have zero chance of fixing it if we never understand it. A purchase should be lifetime usage, regardless of media. What you’re buying is a license to view/use it, method doesn’t matter.
Like how some people back in the day would only download a movie if they owned the DVD. That should be legal.
But trying to explain that never goes well
Naw man, that’s just what they want you to believe because it benefits them.
We’ve de facto owned copies of whatever was purchased until the Internet changed the way ownership functions.
Laws are written by people. Traditionally, greedy people.
I think everyone understands just fine, we just won’t be able to change that until the people who write laws are changed.
De facto, yes. De jure, no.
Sure, but like I said. People write the law… Greedy people usually.
No, that’s literally how software/media has always worked…
If you “own” code, then you can copy, distribute, and profit off of it 100% legally.
That’s why software/media you “buy” is a license for personal use.
That’s the entire point of the issue…
Did you think Blockbuster or any other rental store could buy a copy from Walmart and rent it out? Those were different licenses and the rental stores paid a shit ton more for their copies to be able to rent them.
Because it’s never been about the physical media, but the license attached to it that determines fair usage
Straight up wrong. There’s an exception to copyright for educational purposes for starters, so you’re really being a dipshit eating your foot more than you are correct.
You misunderstand me.
It hasn’t always worked the way it does today. I know you buy a “license”. But when you bought that cd rom or floppy or dvd or whatever physical media, you didn’t have to do anything else to make it work. That copy ALWAYS worked, and you could sell it when you no longer needed it. Or you could let your friend borrow it.
“Fair usage” doesn’t really work the way it used to.
That is not what “fair use” means in the context of copyright.
Also most of those licenses were non-transferable which means it was illegal to sell those games secondhand. But again it was unenforceable.
What you are talking about is DRM.
I think you are also missing my point.
I’m not talking about what the law is/was.
Also, I put “Fair usage” in quotes for a reason.
My point is that those producing media should not be able to sell you something that you are not allowed to control to some extent, and use at your disposal.
Did you think Blockbuster or any other rental store could buy a copy from Walmart and rent it out?
YES! That’s how it fucking worked! For the exact same reason libraries can just buy a book, and then lend it out, because they fucking own it. That’s what the money was for!
Rental chains only developed contractual relationships with movie studios because it’s otherwise kind of difficult to buy five thousand copies of one tape. Studios sued, and lost, and came back with a truce.
The first sale doctrine is over a century old. Every medium has tried insisting it’s special, and been slapped down as just another product. Software has been long awaiting that slap. Their excuses aren’t anything new. Your rights have not changed.
Did you think Blockbuster or any other rental store could buy a copy from Walmart and rent it out? Those were different licenses and the rental stores paid a shit ton more for their copies to be able to rent them.
Yes and no. They did have licensing deals for video, but for video games they relied entirely on the First Sale Doctrine. Nintendo tried to sue because they didn’t want to allow rentals, and lost.
Doesn’t matter. Money will never be realer than the imagination of suckers. That is how Closed Source is what steals their souls. Dumbasses.
Is every account on that instance still just the same person?
Personally, I only have one account there and it’s not my host, so, no.
and it’s not my host
Do you mean you’re not the admin of that instance?
Because they use terms like “host” and “alter” to describe themselves
Revoke my books. I fucking dare you.
Oh. So he is an asshole like Elon. Good to know.
We are fools each time to expect any different :(
All of them are, especially when you get anywhere near the size of Sony.
You mean the same guy that told people to work two jobs for the honor of buying his five hundred and ninety nine dollar console in 2006? Oh yeah, he’s an asshole.
Giant enemy crab
What is that a screenshot of??
um, i searched giant enemy crab gif and it came up. i kind of want to know too
Fight Crab. I’ve never played it but the YouTuber I watched play it liked it.
Right, why would anyone expect this asshole to say anything different?
But it had Ridge Racer!
Its very crowded there at the asshole department.
It because they are about merge into their final form Mega Elon.
Again, we know that we don’t own Crash Bandicot, the IP, but, we wanna own a copy of a game that features Crash Bandicot.
That cannot be revoked arbitrarily by fuckheads like this piece of trash.
best we can do is you own nothing and be happy!
And nobody struggles with this for books. Not one soul.
Are you unaware of digital book markets?
Digital book markets are why I will never fully switch from physical books. I prefer to own my shit and give it away if I want, can’t do that with an ebook or a downloaded game.
I just strip DRM the second I download the ebook using calibre. Sharing becomes as trivial as attaching to a message.
I don’t know how to do that. Liked I’m glad the tech exists, but I don’t have the motivation to learn how to do that or start a server, I just want to read 😅 I just go to the library or one of the many independent bookstores close to me.
Fair!
I just struggle to use physical books 😅
I totally get it! I’m just happy people read any which way they can! Reading is great exercise for the brain.
You can very easily do that with ebooks.
Source: I run a Calibre-Web server for myself, my family, and my friends. All of my books are 100% DRM-free, and my devices sync directly to the server so I can download them natively just like if I had purchased them from the ereader’s official store.
very easily
Goes on talking about web servers
Comparing to walking up to someone and handing them an object…
Typical fediverse user in that sense. It’s not exactly surprising, a self hostable social media does seem to have a lot of people who believe self hosting things is trivial.
Or literally sending the 1MB file over some chat app And then dragging the file into the e-reader Easier than meeting in person
This is what I was thinking my self. Pretty easy to just send the file to a friend/family.
I just found their comment hilarious.
Thanks, unfortunately, I don’t know how to set up a web server to do that. But I do have my local library, which I go to at least once a week, they have Blu-ray Discs too. I also prefer to donate the books I buy because it makes me feel like my money gets more value if someone else enjoys it.
I am glad that technology exists though!
I think SpiceDAO struggled with this, but that’s not “a soul” lol. They bought some rare Dune book or something thinking it gave them rights to it? I don’t remember the specifics.
Pointing to a group of plainly delusional idiots is technically a counterexample.
See also those crypto-dolts who (IIRC) made a knockoff of Magic The Gathering: Online and dismissed legal threats by figuring they’d make so much money they could just buy Wizards Of The Coast.
No one is trying to claim they own the IP, and no one is claiming they own the source code to the game either.
That seems to be the way all these fucking companies try to frame things to justify telling you to pay them and then fuck off. They’re trying to justify having you pay them for nothing, and then enforce it legally.
“A mentality issue that we’ve built a business model around. Now that our exploitive behavior is laid bare, you want to complain about it. I just don’t understand why you’re so attached to the ‘metaphor’ of ownership that we’ve been using to extract money from you.”
No, it’s a corporate greed issue that we don’t want to deal with. Fuck him and capitalism.
Can I sell my digital copy to someone else? Or borrow it to them?
You keep making it different, asshole.
Lend
I’d borrow you one of my fucks, but I don’t have any.
I give you knowledge for free, broke ass
These days “borrow” can mean “lend” because it all comes down to common usage. Dictionary writers are historians of language, not arbiters of it.
I’ve only ever heard people who have English as a second or third language mix them up.
That’s not true at all in my experience, almost everyone uses them interchangeably. Although many also do correct people on it.
It’s like saying that guy and me, it is improper, it’s that guy and I. But no one follows the rule anymore.
fwiw I’ve never heard someone say that they can borrow someone something before. Might be a regional thing.
I’m not the person you were responding to, but I have also never heard anyone other than a child that made a mistake say borrow instead of lend. I’m not saying it isn’t a thing, but maybe it isn’t as widespread as you believe it to be.
Here’s a few relatively modern examples to illustrate my point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nimrod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/random
It doesn’t matter if you agree with it, it comes down to common usage.
Here’s a nice list and explanation of how English is a living language:
https://wordopedia.org/words-that-changed-meaning
But go ahead and down vote me over dictionary squabbles. I’ll just call you a fool* for arguing.
*(one with a marked propensity or fondness for something)
People are discussing if it’s in common usage.
He’d probably argue you couldn’t legally do that with the disc copy you had though.
He’s half right. An all-digital future is an inevitability, one way or another. But we cling to physical because you haven’t given us an alternative that lets us trust that we own our games. The problem is that we don’t trust you or the industry, not when the industry is actively fighting against ownership with DRM and games being shut down left and right. If you want to earn our trust, show us what your solution to these problems is.
Exactly. I don’t need a disk. If he would distribute games like GOG do nobody would bring this disk thing up.
An all-digital future is not by any means inevitable…
We’re already a lot closer to it than you think. Do you know how many modern games don’t even fit on the disc in the first place? Or ship incomplete because in order to meet a target release date they have to start pressing discs before 1.0 is actually finished? And what about all the updates and DLC?
In 50 years time, when servers are all gone and you can’t redownload the data that wasn’t on the disc, do you still own your games?
SD cards instead of CDs. Problem solved.
Have you seen the prices on SD cards lately?
I wasn’t speaking to price, you said modern games don’t fit on discs. I was simply offering an alternative format that would hold it, it’s not some impossibility.
ceos getting upset at people pirating their games is a mentality issue.
They are really asking for it.
I think GTA, and this most anticipated release of a game in perhaps ever, really fucked up in screwing over their union right before the release, (last I heard, in passing,) and are similarly just asking to be pirated.
Keep doubling down Sony, you’re doing great
Did too much hair dye seep into his brain?
It’s always pathetic when these super old guys dye their hair constantly, like Steven Seagall, he’s like 80 without a single grey hair, and not grey roots even, meaning he is dying like all the time.
Everyone ages, at some point, just embrace it. After 60, 70 tops, just go with the grey.
I think he’s correct that it’s a mentality issue: but the issue is with Sony’s mentality, not the consumer. If the PlayStation store operated like gog.com there wouldn’t be as much of an issue.
I think he also underestimates the advantages of a separate disk per game, especially when he mentions hardware prices in the same breath…
The only people upset about not having a physical copy are the same with control issues in all other aspects of their life. Probably preppers too 😂 friggin boomer mentality.
