Reddit versus Sam Altman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYsNrQ1EX7A&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20251016-ai-boyfriend-users-radicalise-against-openai-self-host-their-chatbot-companions - podcast
time: 5 min 31 sec
I see parallels between this kind of thinking and temperance movements, or other times and people who warn against video games, tv watching, dungeons and dragons, joining small churches with sketchy pastors, Tupperware parties, and sexual fetishes that require a group effort.
Lost people will be lost, regardless of their poison; while more normal people can partake in the same activities and even find it healthy, even if others look at them harshly.
One cannot rescue such people by condemning what they do, much like one cannot stop self destruction by banning the things they use
Boring unoriginal argument combined with a misunderstanding of addiction. On addiction, go read FOSB and stop thinking of it as a moral failing. On behavioral control, it’s clear that you didn’t actually read what I said. Let me emphasize it again:
From your list, video games, TV, D&D, and group sex are not the problem. Rather, loot boxes, TV advertisements, churches, MLMs, and other means of psychological control are the problem. Your inability to tell the difference between a Tupperware party (somewhat harmful), D&D (almost never harmful), and joining churches (almost always harmful) suggests that you’re thinking of behavioral control in terms of rugged individualist denial of any sort of community and sense of belonging, rather than in terms of the harms which people suffer. Oh, also, when you say:
Completely fucking wrong. Condemning drunk driving has reduced the overall amount of drunk driving, and it also works on an interpersonal level. Chemists have self-regulated to prevent the sale of massive quantities of many common chemicals, including regulation on the basis that anybody purchasing that much of a substance could not do anything non-self-destructive with it. What you mean to say is that polite words do not stop somebody from consuming an addictive substance, but it happens to be the case that words are only the beginning of possible intervention.
I have reading about, and hearing, people saying these things for over 50 years, I stand by my observation I can pick out common themes.
I’m not saying you are wrong about anything in particular. Just I think you would be surprised how similar your words are to what was uttered in good faith by many well meaning people over a wide variety of times and places, over things that later were mostly forgotten.
If there is an argument I can state clearly here, is, after me enduring an average life over three generations, is that some people cannot be rescued
Given this user’s declared lack of intent to improve, we wish them well in their posting career elsewhere.
Checkmate, atheists