I get why people are upset, but isn’t it kinda futile? Everything that can be replaced with AI will be. From arts to dev and anything else they can think of. It’s only a matter of time until the tech is good enough for any particular problem. Trying up legislate against it doesn’t seem useful either. People will get around it eventually.
We’re moving towards a world where lots of us won’t have viable jobs in these fields. We’ll either find different jobs or need some form of UBI
Yes and No. That Wacom Dragon legitimately looks awful; its tail a messed up, nonsensical mess. I think the problem isn’t as much just “AI art” as it is “awful art”, because if a human had made it, it would have been absolutely better; it would have made sense at the very least. Instead you have middle managers trying to cut corners and the end result is an insult to creative workers everywhere; and the managers and marketers who approved this said “meh, good enough” and didn’t even try.
That’s the most insidious part of AI Art used in marketing, a race to the bottom in terms of quality that leads to crap being thrown in consumers faces because creative, knowledgable people aren’t being included in the conversation.
Doomerism - I don’t think that word means what you think it means (or you just don’t understand what UBI could be the start of, don’t know anything about MLK, probably all of the above).
Considering MLK’s understanding and support of Marxist ideas, he’d probably be fighting for technological progress as long as it came along with UBI, since that’s literally the basis of a better world for everyone, unlike systemic racism and capitalism he was fighting against, which really aren’t comparable at all (sure, both could be used to fuck up the prospect and potential of technological progress and UBI, but that’s the fault of systemic racism and capitalism, not technological progress and UBI).
We’re moving towards a world where lots of us won’t have viable jobs in these fields. We’ll either find different jobs or need some form of UBI
this is the comment. it’s pure 100% doomerism with a “we have to find other jobs” thrown in. this isn’t, “we should do this if it comes with UBI”.
also don’t really appreciate the giant paragraph where you claim MLK is in favour of AI, or would be, that’s just weird. don’t do that, don’t put words in the mouth of dead people. You can make arguments without that.
Lmfao, says the person who invoked MLK in the first place, and literally put words in his mouth (words only someone who knows nothing about him would try to relate to him in this context)… 😂😂😂
Thanks, I really needed a good laugh to start the day with, and apologies for challenging you with two whole sentences, I won’t put you through such hell again…
and literally put words in his mouth (words only someone who knows nothing about him would try to relate to him in this context)
you realize i was using those words as an example of something he didn’t say right? Specifically, I was pointing out how his message was against defeatism and doomerism by showing how he didn’t use those words.
do you not understand this concept? In addition, why are you like this?
You’re right about marxists favoring tech progress, but they traditionally oppose a UBI. That’s generally true of the traditional left, not just the fringes.
They represented (or wanted to) the working class; people who did not just work for a living but took pride in being a worker and contributing to society. They tend to believe in a right to make a meaningful contribution to society (aka work) but also in a duty.
It is, this is the equivalent of protesting the printing press. It would be most useful to find a way to transition gracefully, but most people are still in the denial stage.
The printing press didn’t change the text inside the books and made books widely available to the public. Art is already everywhere, we don’t need AI to have enough of it and it fundamentally replaces what is actually good about art.
AI is making it possible for everybody to create art (for certain definitions of art). That’s the same thing the printing press made possible, it lowered the barriers to anybody creating their own publication. The parallels are extremely numerous and striking, for those without a preexisting bias.
Prompting a machine isn’t creating art any more than commissioning an artist is creating art. Writers still had to actually write books to print, AI removes everything between the initial idea and the final product.
You’d have a point if the printing presses only put out randomized, meaningless chicken scratch, but instead you’re conflating how art is presented with the art itself.
I get why people are upset, but isn’t it kinda futile? Everything that can be replaced with AI will be. From arts to dev and anything else they can think of. It’s only a matter of time until the tech is good enough for any particular problem. Trying up legislate against it doesn’t seem useful either. People will get around it eventually.
We’re moving towards a world where lots of us won’t have viable jobs in these fields. We’ll either find different jobs or need some form of UBI
Yes and No. That Wacom Dragon legitimately looks awful; its tail a messed up, nonsensical mess. I think the problem isn’t as much just “AI art” as it is “awful art”, because if a human had made it, it would have been absolutely better; it would have made sense at the very least. Instead you have middle managers trying to cut corners and the end result is an insult to creative workers everywhere; and the managers and marketers who approved this said “meh, good enough” and didn’t even try.
That’s the most insidious part of AI Art used in marketing, a race to the bottom in terms of quality that leads to crap being thrown in consumers faces because creative, knowledgable people aren’t being included in the conversation.
Ah, yes, doomerism, inspirational. I think MLK said it best “I have a dream, but it’s hard, so let’s all give up instead”
Doomerism - I don’t think that word means what you think it means (or you just don’t understand what UBI could be the start of, don’t know anything about MLK, probably all of the above).
Considering MLK’s understanding and support of Marxist ideas, he’d probably be fighting for technological progress as long as it came along with UBI, since that’s literally the basis of a better world for everyone, unlike systemic racism and capitalism he was fighting against, which really aren’t comparable at all (sure, both could be used to fuck up the prospect and potential of technological progress and UBI, but that’s the fault of systemic racism and capitalism, not technological progress and UBI).
this is the comment. it’s pure 100% doomerism with a “we have to find other jobs” thrown in. this isn’t, “we should do this if it comes with UBI”.
also don’t really appreciate the giant paragraph where you claim MLK is in favour of AI, or would be, that’s just weird. don’t do that, don’t put words in the mouth of dead people. You can make arguments without that.
Lmfao, says the person who invoked MLK in the first place, and literally put words in his mouth (words only someone who knows nothing about him would try to relate to him in this context)… 😂😂😂
Thanks, I really needed a good laugh to start the day with, and apologies for challenging you with two whole sentences, I won’t put you through such hell again…
Clown
🤣🤣🤣🤣
you realize i was using those words as an example of something he didn’t say right? Specifically, I was pointing out how his message was against defeatism and doomerism by showing how he didn’t use those words.
do you not understand this concept? In addition, why are you like this?
Loads of people have reading comprehension issues. They literally have trouble comprehending anything beyond grade school level writing
rude ._.
You’re right about marxists favoring tech progress, but they traditionally oppose a UBI. That’s generally true of the traditional left, not just the fringes.
They represented (or wanted to) the working class; people who did not just work for a living but took pride in being a worker and contributing to society. They tend to believe in a right to make a meaningful contribution to society (aka work) but also in a duty.
BTW do you know anyone who’s hiring buggy whip makers?
Optimism about the future of AI capabilities is not doomerism. It’s going to expand humanity’s capabilities, not limit or reduce them.
It is, this is the equivalent of protesting the printing press. It would be most useful to find a way to transition gracefully, but most people are still in the denial stage.
The printing press didn’t change the text inside the books and made books widely available to the public. Art is already everywhere, we don’t need AI to have enough of it and it fundamentally replaces what is actually good about art.
AI is making it possible for everybody to create art (for certain definitions of art). That’s the same thing the printing press made possible, it lowered the barriers to anybody creating their own publication. The parallels are extremely numerous and striking, for those without a preexisting bias.
Prompting a machine isn’t creating art any more than commissioning an artist is creating art. Writers still had to actually write books to print, AI removes everything between the initial idea and the final product.
There’s a thousand Benedictine monks who said the same thing at the thought of an unadorned, unillustrated stack of paper stapled together.
You’d have a point if the printing presses only put out randomized, meaningless chicken scratch, but instead you’re conflating how art is presented with the art itself.