• Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Maybe for weed, but I don’t think that would be so clear cut for other substances. Even here San Francisco, the public is only willing to go so far with decriminalizing.

    I would wager that weed, and maybe certain hallucinations would be bump in the polls, but for narcotics and opioids, ending the war on that stuff would hurt him. But maybe I’m wrong.

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      11 months ago

      Ending it would involve more than lel drugs are legal have fun. It would be a shift to focus on treatment, rehabilitation, and prevention by treating social deficits that tend to breed addiction, those are proven consistently effective treatments. If prohibition ever worked we wouldn’t have weed, alcohol, and coke would sell completely caffeine free beverages.

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      11 months ago

      I’m not necessarily against legalizing other drugs, but I would need a lot of time to research it and understand what studies have been done. There’s some substances which are outright harmful and people shouldn’t take, and I don’t think criminalization is the solution. But, I also don’t know that complete legalization is.

      Off the cuff, I think I’d support decriminalized possession, but the material is still confiscated. Manufacturing however should remain illegal (other than for weed) because it’s way too easy to make snake oil and impurities. I’d favor official govt meth versus making manufacturing it legal.

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        11 months ago

        You know that there’s government legal meth, right?

        Its brand name is Desoxyn.

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            11 months ago

            Desoxyn is literally a brand name for methamphetamine, so you’re not saying anything different.

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              11 months ago

              Hm? Widen your scope of semantic salience my friend, I do say something different, but that’s just academia, don’t take it too seriously it’s not a challenge.

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              11 months ago

              Wow I just went down a rabbit hole… I feel (pray) so many things would have to fail for you to actually get that Rx filled tho

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                11 months ago

                It’s a very effective medicine, though. For example, in small doses it’s more effective than adderall or Ritalin for ADHD. It’s less common than either of those drugs because there is a higher abuse potential, but there is nothing really wrong with it either.

                The key here is small doses taken orally. Taking it in a medical context is a very different animal than recreational methamphetamine.

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          11 months ago

          Our air force crews are often given one of these during combat missions. I imagine other military units use them when necessary, too. They also prescribe it to people with severe narcolepsy.

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        11 months ago

        you know all of those “illegal” drugs are legal if you have enough money? There isn’t a single “illegal” drug that you cant get as long as someone slaps like a Pfizer, Novo Nordisk, or Bayer label on it and signs their name to say you can have it. Prohibition doesn’t work, we have a lot of history to show that, we also have a lot of history to know that treatment, rehabilitation, and social safety nets go a really long way towards stopping addiction and substance abuse.

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        I mean we know people will do it regardless, no matter the substance. Substances are being thoroughly tested, and finally seeing serious academic and clinical research on their therapeutic uses, so that is actually going pretty great and showing awesome results (yeyy drugs!!), and I will never get over the argument that prohibition only strengthens the mafia.

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        11 months ago

        All you need to do is look at Portland Oregon. We decriminalized possession with Measure 110 and everyone rejoiced. Now most people are done with it. Used paraphernalia every where, homelessness everywhere. (Yeah I know housing prices is the major factor). Crime… Fuck me. The amount of people that have been “assisted” with their drug habits are dismal. In part due to government hindering the financial support. The major part is the lack of desire from users wanting to be saved. ( This is the alternative to jailing of persons) Decriminalization of possession of hard drugs was/is a major fail here. Just my anecdotal “research”.

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        Yeah, I think I mostly agree. Don’t think material should be confiscated though, that could cause people to avoid official harm reduction resources. But, I wouldn’t want to see private business, like gas stations, liquor stores, or “dispensaries” making profit from selling and pushing fentanyl, tranq, krokodil and stuff like that. I do think more drugs with low addiction and harm potential should be legalized such as shrooms, LSD, and probably most psychedelics.

        All that being said all legalization and decriminalization must coincide with massive investment in addiction treatment, harm reduction, and probably housing. Ideally, the root causes of the drug epidemic should be addressed, such as poverty, lack of adequate healthcare such as therapy, people generally feeling hopeless because of their material conditions, etc.

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      I can’t even fathom the rationalization process going on with you folks with the fent and other substances, it really looks like a dystopian Ridley Scott shot when you look at it from the other side of the Atlantic…

      Edit: I mean, we’re feeling with you homie

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      11 months ago

      would be bump in the polls

      Yeah and Biden could really use a bump

      But enough about Hunter

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        11 months ago

        I’m voting for Hunter Biden for president, because he is the politician that I support.

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          You’re right, it was wrong to make fun of an incredibly comic figure. Doing so clearly means that I’ve never voted for a Democrat and that I want Biden to lose. Certainly can’t be that I’ve consistently voted for dems in every election since turning 18 yet think their failures still deserve to be mocked. Good insight 👏