• Maeve@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    I know plenty of Dems who voted trump because abortion. I think a lot is the demographics’ religion. I’ve heard too many say they will vote for trump because at least he gave them $1200. And a friend told me in conversation he visited a (all black) church where the pastor said he doesn’t care if trump is elected, because “God has a plan.”

    Biden leaves much to be desired, and waited until election year to mention price-gouging, even try to contend with border red states and abortion. Facts are, both establishment parties are on the same Team Gazillionaire, which isn’t us, and they don’t want it to ever be us. It’s time we wake up that one party is just more sneaky about it, and they’re really not that sneaky. And the EC is still in place.

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      Biden leaves much to be desired, and waited until election year to mention price-gouging, even try to contend with border red states and abortion. Facts are, both establishment parties are on the same Team Gazillionaire, which isn’t us, and they don’t want it to ever be us. It’s time we wake up that one party is just more sneaky about it, and they’re really not that sneaky. And the EC is still in place.

      You can’t convince me that a native English-speaker wrote this.

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        11 months ago

        Is there some reason you think people who aren’t native English speakers shouldn’t be involved in American politics? 🤨

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          No. I do expect coherent and factual arguments from those who do, however. I’ve had my fill of word salad for 2024 already. Am I asking too much?

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            Is that why you didn’t mention any of that in your comment and instead focused on whether or not they spoke English as a first language?

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              That’s fair. You’re right.

              I just thought it was funnier than going point by point through that incoherent nonsense to try to correct it, because sometimes I feel like it’s better to laugh than it is to try to engage with political talking points that are so mired in bullshit that they are hard to take in good faith. It’s also flawed to assume that everybody who is engaging in conversations around American politics are American citizens acting in good-faith, based on what we know about the history of foreign meddling in global elections, but I digress.

              It’s possible that you’ve taken it more seriously than I meant it to be, but ultimately I said something that may have been offensive and exclusionary to ESL speaking people, and for that I’ll just say sorry.

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                I appreciate that you were willing to hear what I was saying. FWIW I recognize there was a legitimate problem with troll campaigns in at least the past 2 presidential elections and I’m sure already is a problem in the upcoming one, but defaulting to ‘someone isn’t using perfect English, they’re a shill!’ (in addition to being exclusionary to ESL speakers) casts too wide a net and includes a lot of people who legitimately do speak English as a first language (ask any English teacher, lol).

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                It’s my first language and after four decades of voting, this is what it’s been.