Hey everyone! I’m finally fed up with Win11 and the bullshit that comes with it for the PC it’s on.

It’s being used as a Jellyfin+arr stack, qbit, Immich, and gaming PC for the living room.

I’m currently in the process of backing up all my important info and am doing research on which distro to use.

I don’t mind tinkering, but for this PC, stability is key. I don’t want to have to go in and update it every week… I want this one to work with minimal maintenance on my part.

I’d likely update it a few times a year, knowing me.

A few hardware specs:

MSI mobo (I’ve learned that UEFI can be a pain), 10600k, 2070 gpu, and will have a pool of 3x8tb drives that I would like to have in raid5 (or something similar) for storage (movies, TV shows, and Immich libraries), the OS will have its own drive, and I have a separate SSD that I have been using to store programs, games, yml’s for docker, and other such things that get accessed more frequently, but aren’t crucial if lost.

I’ve kinda narrowed it down to either Bazzite or CachyOS.

I’ve heard that Bazzite can be a little more locked down, which I’m not a fan of, but CachyOS has features I will likely never touch (schedulers, kernels, etc…).

I don’t want an upkeep heavy OS. I’m moving away from windows for that reason. Win11 has been a nightmare for me with constant reboots and things not loading up until after I log in. Not to mention driver conflicts and all the other BS that’s come with it.

So… What say the hive mind? Is Bazzite going to be too tinker-proof, or is CachyOS just way too much work? Or do I have it all wrong with my perception of both?

Thanks!

Ps: this will be my first full commit to Linux. I’ve dabbled in the past and am no stranger to CLI… So this will likely be a stepping stone into getting my primary PC onto Linux. Go easy on me lol

  • Twongo [she/her]@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    just download mint and distrohop from there until you feel settled. there’s too many options to make a final decision from the start. mint works out of the box and you get get a hang of it.

    OR use cachyos but prepare to open the archwiki frequently

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    bazzite is not meaningfully tinker-proof. Ask a person who says that what they can’t do and they can never answer something that you actually can’t do.

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    Can highly recommend Bazzite. You can install most applications and terminal programs no problem through flatpak/brew and config any well behaved package through settings files in your home directory anyways. If you really need specific system level packages, then it’s quite straightforward tinkering to setup a GitHub repo that builds a daily image for you based on Bazzite. If you break something, you just roll back to a previous build.

    And for testing out new “live” packages: you can! Just make sure you don’t forget to persist them into your custom image if it turns out to be a useful addition.

    I think I added just a handful packages on top of Bluefin (the non-gaming version) and it runs rather merrily.

    Immutable sounds locked down, but to me it’s more like highly reproducible tinkering. Just keep your home dir clean ✨

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    I would definitely give Bazzite a try. If you are looking for stability and a set and forget OS. If you don’t like it you could always try something else.

    If you are looking for something to tinker with and change things like manually changing packages or messing with services you probably want a more traditional “non-atomic” os

    Don’t let talk of the filesystem being “read only” scare you. You can still save files to your desktop and documents and stuff in your user folder.

    In windows terms it’s more like imagine C:/windows being read-only so you can’t break your system. You can still write files to other parts of the drive, but it prevents you from messing up your install (some people like this added layer or stability, some don’t like it because it makes tinkering with your system harder)

    An atomic OS is kinda like a phone OS, in the sense that every version of iOS 26 comes with the same version of Safari and the same libraries. It makes it so any bugs are reproducible and easier for the developers to track down. Packages are pinned to the OS version. (For example all installs of Bazzite 20260101 will include Nvidia drivers 590.44.01-1)

    In a more traditional Linux distro because packages can be updated to whatever version if you install Ubuntu the version of Nvidia drivers is not tied to the OS version. You could have an install of Ubuntu 25.10 and could have a completely different Nvidia driver version from someone else on Ubuntu 25.10. This could make bugs harder to trace because you could have the same OS version but different packages. Think of this like even though you and a friend could both have (Windows 11 25H2 installed you could have different drivers installed)

    As for updating Bazzite generally auto updates once a week in the background. It requires 0 manual intervention and keeps your packages and drivers up to date. You can turn this off if you wanted to. Since it uses a “image” based approach (again imagine upgrading from iOS 26 -> 26.1) it is able to save the previous version of the OS. So if the upgrade broke something you can roll your system back to a known good state with a single command.

    If you are looking for something that’s set and forget I would definitely give it a try.

    If you want to tinker with it and figure out how Linux works I would probably try arch or something

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    There’s a lot of well meaning but not too well informed advice in here. Since one of your goals is gaming, stay away from Mint. It can be made to work (well), but you have to get there. It’s basically the recommendation people gave for decades, but there have been massive improvements through many distros while mint just kinda stood still. There’s still some things they do rather well though.

    CachyOS will do what you want it to, and it is what I switched to like 8 months ago. It isn’t maintenance heavy at all if you don’t want it to be. I think I had to intervene once since I started using it, but that intervention was necessary or it wouldn’t have booted after updates. The official updater will tell you when that’s the case, as it lists critical news like that. Otherwise it just works, and it’s pre-configured and optimized for gaming. Under the hood it’s basically Arch, just without the fiddling of getting it to a usable state. Because of that they’re is also an enormous amount of information out there (Arch wiki) on how to do stuff.

    Bazzite is a stark contrast in many ways as it’s an immutable distro, but also pre-configured and optimized (maybe not quite as much as CachyOS). It will also do what you want just fine. It is relatively “safe” due to the immutability, and updates are much rarer (and by definition always whole system updates). I don’t know exactly how you’d run your services, but assuming they are dockerized or similar that should be just fine, but please do some searching before if it does contain what you need in the base image (presumably docker and docker compose).

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      I was running everything through Docker, so that will be a must. Jellyfin was on its own executable, but that was because something with transcoding, I think, wasn’t working with docker. I don’t remember now what the problem was, but apparently the issue didn’t exist in the Linux docker version. It was isolated to windows.

      If it’s not in the base image, there will be a way to add it, yea?

      Somewhere else in the thread someone mentioned Bazzite not being ideal for servers, but I’m still parsing through all the replies, so I’m unsure how accurate that is.

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        I switched to Bazzite last week, and also run Jellyfin. It’s been a pain. Hours of troubleshooting. I’m still having an issue with metadata, but I think that’s actually just Jellyfin. That said, most of the issues were easy to fix, just hard to research. SELinux is a pain and messes up Jellyfin.

        Sudo Setenforce 0

        And it works like a charm. Doing volume labeling does not work. Other than that, you just need to adjust to using podman instead of docker.

        Oh, and gaming just works. STALKER 2 runs better on Bazzite for me than it did on Win10.

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        Docker and Bazzite are not plug-and-play. That being said, bazzite comes with podman, and podman can create a docker environment.

        But…I am not an expert here by any means. Do not take this as a green light to just go ahead and pick bazzite. Bazzite is my daily driver and I use podman to run arch and Ubuntu CLI programs as well as an ollama local llm server, but I know NOTHING about docker, I just have seen the docs and thought I would share.

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        On Linux, running Jellyfin through docker with GPU acceleration works fine, yes. But you need some options/flags to pass access to the GPU to the inside of the container. Guides and/or docker tutorials exist and should contain that, as that’s basically the default setup these days.

        As for Bazzite and Docker (I just checked), no it isn’t part of the base image and you can’t easily install it. That’s the downside of an immutable distro. I think podman is available, which is compatible and FOSS, but there may be caveats to using that. There is a bazzite version called bazzite-dx intended for developers, so that one would probably work fine for you out of the box. There shouldn’t be any real downside to using that compared to the mainline image, apart from being slightly larger cause all dev tools are installed, but do check that. My practical experience with Bazzite is limited.

        My real recommendation is: just try it. Slap in a small/cheap SSD (~20 bucks) instead of whatever you got in there now, install CachyOS and try it out. Then install Bazzite and try it out. By “Try it out” I do mean setting up a copy of or a test-install of your required services (arr stack, jellyfin, …), to see if everything is as you’d expect. Possibly install more distros to try them out, then make up your mind and actually fully migrate, or if it doesn’t work out go back to your currently installed drive. Installing a linux distro takes like 10 minutes these days, then play around with however long you need. Since you already have it narrowed down to only 2 options anyway, that is most likely the best solution.

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      Since one of your goals is gaming, stay away from Mint. It can be made to work (well), but you have to get there.

      Mint works just fine for gaming. I run LMDE 6, all you really have to do is install Steam with Proton. I also run RPCS3 without any odd configuration outside of game-specific items (which you would have to do on Windows anyway).

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        My experience as well. So far I’ve run ~20 games through steam and never even needed protondb advice as it just worked.

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          I play multiple Windows-only games on Steam, including BeamNG.Drive, which hilariously runs even better on Linux than it ever did on Windows. It maintains 60+ FPS on High settings at 1440P without even trying.

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    I had horrible experience with Bazzite. Installer somehow corrupted a separate win10 installation on another drive, I couldn’t get Samba 1 to connect to a network share, ‘ujust updating’ caused boot to black screen, and in general the online support is abysmal compared to older more established distros like Ubuntu.

    Wiped and installed (win10 again, and) Mint fixed all the issues. Samba 1 unlocking works so the network drive is accessible, updated everything with one click and it didn’t crash on reboot, both OS’s appear in the boot list, and it being much older the support is far easier to obtain as a newbie.

    Literally just installed Mint (and reinstalled), a couple days ago so I’m as wet behind the ears as they come. IMO the people recommending Bazzite don’t care of their system breaks and it takes 2 hours to fix every 2nd week (I assume this will improve as you gain xp with the BS/Bazzite Software).

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      Bazzite is designed to not break, it’s part of what makes immutable so great. Your problems were likely external to the distro itself.

      Not at all blaming you, bad experiences happen, especially when dual-booting, but by the very nature of being immutable it’s as solid and stable as possible.

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    Bazzite is good for gaming and general computing. If you want to run servers or tinker with the OS at all it becomes annoying and impractical.

    Fedora is stable, with modern packages, and is what Bazzite is based off of. I’d probably recommend that.

    Debian is rock-solid stable, but lacks newer packages. It’s great for a server, not so great for gaming and general computing.

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      Debian is rock-solid stable, but lacks newer packages. It’s great for a server, not so great for […] general computing.

      What the fuck??? I’ve been daily driving Debian for years now on my personal laptops, desktop, mini PC, and mutliple servers. I’ve found and reported Linux kernel vulnerabilities on my trusty Debian systems.

      What do you mean it’s not so great for general computing? What can’t you do with Debian computing-wise that you can do with other distros? The only issues I’ve ever had was with some LaTeX packages being older versions. You just get that from CTAN and install that manually.

      This is such a ridiculous comment. What do you do on a server that’s not general computing? You’re doing a subset of general computing??? How does a fucking distro actively prevent you from doing general computing???

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        Packages are frequently outdated. Older packages can be difficult for new users who want a computer to “just work”. It’s fine for general computing, but not great.

        Also fuck off with this attitude man. I’m not attacking you, learn how to speak to people.

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          Also fuck off with this attitude man. I’m not attacking you, learn how to speak to people.

          Sorry. I get quite triggered when people add pseudo-labels to distributions, mainly Debian being outdated. Looking back, I was quite harsh and I apologize.

          However, you’re actively spreading the false narrative by saying Debian’s not good for “general computing” - this is what triggers me. A distribution is nothing but its package manager and some defaults. Some have different defaults and package managers.

          Older packages can be difficult for new users who want a computer to “just work”.

          The only place this makes a difference is with the latest hardware which OP does not have. I have more recent hardware than OP and Debian 13 + KDE Plasma 6 works out of the box.

          It’s fine for general computing, but not great.

          Again, I really hate this sentence. I will tone down the rudeness this time in explaining why. I have daily-driven Debian for years with AMD + Intel CPUs, Nvidia GPUs (1070, 3060) with use cases ranging wildly through the years. I cannot fathom what kind of general computing cannot work. If you say specialized computing, I would still disagree as there are always ways to make things work.

          Just off the top of my head where things are iffy with Debian: bat cannot be installed via a package manager, but not on most distros anyway. There’s a deb package though which works. Similar with dust, although more distros have it in their package manager.

          Debian, like you said, is rock-solid stable. In my many years of developing code, university courses, daily work (research), maintaining servers with wildly different usages, Debian’s “outdated” packages have only let me down once and that was with a LaTeX package which could be installed via ctan anyway.

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    I’ve heard that Bazzite can be a little more locked down

    No this is generally put out there by people that don’t understand the workflow of an atomic distro. Yes the file system directories are generally readonly. You can still layer packages, or use flatpaks and sysexts to add software or install things in a container. There is nothing much that can’t be achieved in an atomic/immutable distro, its just a different workflow. If you want something unbreakable an atomic distro is the way to go

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    Do you know about piping? It changed everything for me back then. People do the weirdest complicated things that are mostly a few piped commands. One command if you master awk 🤣 but let’s not go there.

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    Debian. It’s rock solid. You don’t need anything flashy or new fangled if you’re just building a home server.

    I wouldn’t suggest bazzite or cachyos for a newbie.

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    Check out Nobara. It is based on Fedora, comes out of the box with everything Bazzite has for gaming (Steam, gamepad/joystick support, etc…) but is not an immutable distro and not as heavily locked down.

    I’ve been a Windows systems admin professionally for 20+ years and although I’ve managed a few Linux systems professionally, at home I’ve mainly used Debian for tinkering, running Docker, and dedicated servers for me and my friends. My personal PCs have always been Windows based.

    I really wanted to use a Debian based distro, because its what I have most familiarity with, but there just isn’t one that isn’t Ubuntu based or updated frequently enough for the gaming I like to do. I’m sticking to Deb for my servers. Fedora is just as mature and reliable, and gives me the degree of control I want over system config without being cumbersome. I have some pretty specific network config and software requirements that necessitated some tinkering in /etc and .conf files that Bazzite was not going to let me do.

    I also wanted a PC that just worked, minimal tinkering. I do not want to spend my gaming time trying to troubleshoot obscure Linux issues. My personal PC use is like 80% gaming. I have a good virtual infra home lab setup. A Synology NAS that holds my music/movies/file archives.

    Nobara setup was a snap. Ditto installing Discord. Both webcam and headset were auto detected. I installed a few flatpak apps including VLC, Putty, Firefox (preferred browser). VLC was able to stream video/audio from my NAS without any additional changes.

    Fired up Steam, installed Elite Dangerous, plugged in a T16000 HOTAS joystick and done. Was playing that same night. Ditto any games using my Xbone gamepad.

    The only fishing I have had to do online for remedies and workarounds have been related to some small 3rd party apps I use to support games like Elite Dangerous. Most additional software I’ve installed via Flatpak, which is amazing. However, by design flatpak apps run in sandboxed environments and are not given full/free access to the file system. (this is a great thing). I’ve added Flatseal to give me a GUI for modifying flatpak app permissions when needed. (Discord, for example, needed additional permissions to allow me to copy/paste screenshots/pics into chat)

    I created a separate partition for installed games. Most guides offering help on installed games assume games/apps are installed or looking in your /home folder, but for me it was on a separate volume, which required permissions tweaking or just looking in a different path.

    I cut over during the holiday break. Overall, the transition has been seamless and painless.

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      Oh interesting. I’ve been live booting PikaOS so far just to see how difficult it is to get certain things up and running and… I don’t know if it’s the OS or if it’s the fact that its live image, but getting certain things up and running so bar has been a pain. Docker didn’t install easily (CLI was a pain compared to double clicking the .deb downloaded from Dockers website), and I couldn’t get Jellyfin to HW transcode through docker, so I installed that through Pika’s software discovery thing. Xbone controller wouldn’t connect (but that could be a failed BT module on the mobo. I remember having issues with it on windows)… So yea… Off to a great start lol

      If Bazzite is going to give even more problems then it sounds like I should stay away from it. The computer will mostly be doing server work, which it sounds like Debian might be the way to go?

      The gaming aspect isn’t going to be the latest and greatest games. Most couch co-op type games. My main PC is still on win10 for that stuff.

      Does booting from a live USB restrict me more so than just commiting to an install on the boot drive? Is Ventoy limiting me? That’s how I’ve been booting so far, but am about to flash to the USB to start the troubleshooting process

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    Given your requirements, absolutely I’d also recommend against Bazzite and CachyOS, at least today.

    Debian stable. Enable security updates by unattended-upgrades and you can basically go over a year without manually updating (aside from the occasional reboot to activate the newer kernel).

    Then if you’re not already into containers, I propose learning about rootless Podman and using that to run your arr stack services. For example using docker-compose and/or systemd services.

    If you don’t mind going a little bit more of the beaten track, then I also encourage you to check out Alpine Linux. Their wiki explains how to install it with a read-only root filesystem which it sounds like you’d like. But since it’s early and a commitment, maybe save this adventure for later.

    Arch has a like 10x more update churn than Debian or sth and is not stable in the same sense.

    For a more hands-on system, or something offline, Arch is still great.

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    Okay, aside from all the distro advice, I have some practical install advice.

    There’s a program called Ventoy. At ventoy.net

    Ventoy is an open source tool to create bootable USB drive for ISO/WIM/IMG/VHD(x)/EFI files. With Ventoy, you don’t need to format the disk over and over, you just need to copy the ISO/WIM/IMG/VHD(x)/EFI files to the USB drive and boot them directly. You can copy many files at a time and Ventoy will give you a boot menu to select them

    Most distros these days have a live CD option, meaning you can run the distro and test how it feels without actually committing to an install.

    So, take all the distro options here and throw them all on a thumb drive with ventoy installed, then you can simply boot into each one.

    Now, my personal fav distro is called Garuda. It excells at gaming, and can do everything you want, but will put a red blinking icon in the task bar if you don’t update every week or so.

    Garuda is Arch based.

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    If you game, Bazzite with KDE is damn near perfect. I’ve been running it for a year and never had a problem making it do what I want it to do.

    I don’t want an upkeep heavy OS.

    Bazzite is immutable, updates are easy and not bothersome, and if for any reason one ever breaks something, a single command (sudo rpm-ostree rollback), you go back to the previous state, easy peasy.

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    It’s being used as a Jellyfin+arr stack, qbit, Immich

    for those applications any distro that lets you use docker and docker compose. If you don’t know how to use them, do yourself a favor and learn. It makes self-hosting so much easier and makes the base OS almost irrelevant.

    Is Bazzite going to be too tinker-proof, or is CachyOS just way too much work?

    Since you seem set on these two, go with Bazzite. Between Distrobox and Docker, Bazzite being an immutable OS seems like a non-issue. After you play around with it, if you feel like you want something that could potentially require more of your time but gives you a little more control, go with CachyOS but ensure you are using ZFS, btrfs, or some other file system that allows rollbacks.

    I’ve distro-hopped a lot over the years. Ubuntu (most flavors), Fedora, Debian, Arch, Solus, EndeavourOS, CentOS, Alma, more I’m forgetting, and even some BSDs. Out of all of them, I keep going back to Ubuntu for my servers. I like the release cycles, it’s never given me any issues that I didn’t cause myself, the packages are new enough, the installer lets you set up ZFS and 3rd party tools/software (like Nvidia drivers), and there is a ton of documentation. I want my server to be an appliance, not something I tinker with, and Ubuntu does that really well. If I do feel like tinkering, I do it in a VM or container.

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      Docker has been the deployment method of choice, thus far, and the plan is to continue that method since I’m already familiar.

      I’m not attached to either, I’ve seen a lot of people recommend them. Debian has gotten more than a few recommendations in this thread, so I’m checking out PikaOS now.

      As much as I didn’t want to, it’s really seeming like I’m going to need to pick a few a test them out. Bazzite, CachyOS, and PikaOS are all on the list right now. Plan to install steam, install a game or two, and see how things go there. Followed up by a potentially small deployment of Jellyfin and a tiny library to see how easy it is to get hardware transcoding up and running.

      You mentioned ZFS or other file systems… And that brings up another question I forgot to add to the OP… As of right now. The plan is to have the media files on the 3 disk pool. I was planning on using ZFS for that, but hadn’t landed on a FS for the OS drive and other storage drive.

      Is it common practice to use one FS across all drives? Or would ZFS work well enough on its own for the pool and use a different FS for the OS/storage drives?