• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    I am going to be an absolute crank about this:

    CSAM means photographic evidence of child rape.

    If that event did not happen, say something else.

    The entire point of this term is to distinguish the go-to-jail imagery stemming from unambiguous crimes, versus any form of made-up nonsense. Bart Simpson is not eligible. Bart Simpson does not exist. Photorealistic depictions of real children can be hyper illegal, but unless they are real, they’re not CSAM. Say something else. Otherwise we’ll have to invent some even less ambiguous term for evidence of child abuse, and the fuckers downvoting this comment will also misappropriate that, to talk about shit that does not qualify.

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          2 months ago

          Isn’t it abuse if i take a picture of a girl, let grok remove the clothes and post this online?

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            2 months ago

            It’s a crime, but it’s not the same crime as taking the actual clothes off the actual girl. She was not physically abused. She was not even involved.

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              2 months ago

              When all her friends and family see that image, she is definitely involved. And it’s definitely abuse.

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                    2 months ago

                    The central goddamn point.

                    Depicting things happening does not mean they actually happened.

                    The entire point of the term CSAM is to describe crimes which literally occurred. It is material… from the sexual abuse… of children. Do y’all not understand why it’s kinda fuckin’ important to have a term for that specific concept?

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              2 months ago

              She will be, if some asshat sees the pic and takes it for real and thinks she is OK with bring raped because the loses naked (there are enough asshats that have that mindset)

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                2 months ago

                Congratulations on the worst take in a competitive field.

                Just… what the fuck? What is it about this distinction that makes people lose all sense? ‘Hey bearing in mind we’re still talking about criminal creeping on children, it’s important to remember that actual touching is worse than doodling over images, so let’s not dilute a term specifically f–’ ‘There is no difference between fiction and reality because what if a crazy person couldn’t tell fiction from reality?!’

                Get help.

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              2 months ago

              Abuse doesn’t have to by physical you stupid fucking piece of shit.

              See? My words didn’t even touch you.

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          2 months ago

          ‘I take child abuse seriously but also think it’s fine to generate nude pictures of real life children.’

          Idk man. It’s a weird fuckin thing to admit to.

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      2 months ago

      From the article:

      The Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network (RAINN) defines child sexual abuse material (CSAM) as “evidence of child sexual abuse” that “includes both real and synthetic content, such as images created with artificial intelligence tools.”