It’d be so awesome if Fairphone made a deal for Fairphone 7
Genuinely wish it’s a Chinese OEM, I’d love to run Graphene on something like the Xiaomi 17 Pro
Chinese phone cameras are far superior than anything else. It would be cool tbf
took their time
Whats that?
A HW manufacturer (aka OEM) will share specs and interfaces with the GrapheneOS team, who will develop an official port for the hardware, with support and everything. The OEM will allow bootloader unlocking and maybe even ship some of these phones with Graphene preinstalled, depending on what their contract with Google allows. To this day, only Pixels have officially received GrapheneOS releases because Google has documented their hardware interfaces in AOSP. Now, AOSP is no longer developed with the Pixel as a target but a virtual device, putting the future of GrapheneOS on Pixels into question (the team refuses to use reverse-engineered hardware interfaces, which may result in bugs).
the team refuses to use reverse-engineered hardware interfaces
Small correction: Current and future GrapheneOS releases for Pixels are produced by reverse-engineering Pixel OS releases. adevtool was developed together with the developer of ProtonAOSP back then, to automate extracing several components from the stock Pixel OS.
thank you for explaining
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
Thx
But if google goes on with locking out the app store with the developer verification bs, how would would this play into that? If Aurora won’t install the app or the app won’t run, then we’ve accomplished little in that area. I’m really hoping I’m missing something.
Custom ROMs should be able to disable the checks. My bigger concern is what it does to the open app ecosystem as a whole.
TBH I would actually expect GrapheneOS not to disable these checks. GrapheneOS devs pride themselves to have the best implementation of the official Android security model, and enforcing signature checks is likely part of that…
They might add additional certificates I guess, to allow their own apps, and maybe a selected few others.
This is incorrect. The sideloading checks are implemented in Play Protect, which needs elevated privileges to function. On GrapheneOS, Google Play services run with normal privileges, just like any other user-installed app. This means, there are no Play Protect checks in GrapheneOS, and there will never be. It would only be possible on ROMs, such as LineageOS with Gapps, where Play services are installed as system apps, running with higher privileges than all other apps.
Well, good to know.
I was thinking more about the way of Android security models, and that it would make sense for GOS to restrict available storefronts to stay consistent with their way to implement them. But good to know that it will not automatically happen just by updating the google services.
And I would also think that people would likely complain if they where to implement it in a different way.
Except this ‘signing’ is more of a control feature than a security feature. Just because Google markets it as a security feature doesn’t mean it is.
Well… The Android security model, as it is implemented in stock android and GOS, is about top down control, the full trust is given to the system vendors, not the end users. No rooting for instance. From this perspective not allowing installation of apps that cannot be blocked by the system vendor, fits well with that model.
TBH, I am not a fan of that security model. And this is my critique of GOS. It doesn’t allow the user full access to their device, so that they can check and control what each application is storing or sending to third-party servers. Instead it is on full security and allows apps to store and transfer information to which the user has no access to.
But the system vendor/developers would have that access, because they control the whole base system.
The focus of the Android security model and in turn of GOS is on security, at the cost of privacy or freedom.
Please be Motorola and put it on my Razr+…
Hope for Motorola but for some reason I want to put a guess in for LG
oops all Xiaomi!
largest market share outside of Samsung and Apple.
LG who exited the smartphone market in 2021?
FR?
Yeah mate, long gone. Real shame that, loved their V-series.
I’m hoping for motorola too.
Add Nokia, Brax, and other smaller phone companies that actually value privacy, open-source, repairability, linux, and consumer-friendly then we got a deal
Brax?? Lol
Hey I don’t know a whole lot about it but it seems kinda interesting
Some are saying dude is a snake-oil saleperson. Idk always felt a bad vibe about that youtube channel.
Don’t know if that’s an existing phone because from what I read the new integration will be for a new/next gen device. So not anything that’s on the market now
Yah, a guy can dream though, can’t he?
I bet on Steam /hjk
my hot take: while this is good for users in short term, in long term it just prolongs non-copyleft android OS hold for google.
my only hope for grapheneos is that they pointed that they may move from android too.
That’s the long-term plan, yeah. Moving from Linux entirely actually, as they mentioned a future microkernel project
as I said in last post, I only see copyleft as a viable alternative. too many dev efforts forked and privatized. android should have been a warning. but many devs just think open source is enough. and they still think getting adapted by big corporation will not change the direction of projects.
I am personally going in the direction of testing and helping only copyleft projects. so I skipped RedoxOS. even-though I like rust and new microkernel OSes.
If I am going to give my time to a project (small as it is) I don’t want it to end up like android.
I completely agree, and a strong copyleft licence is something that GPLv3 does much better than its predecessor, which is unfortunately why it has not been adopted by the Linux kernel. I foolishly assumed that GrapheneOS, given the values it professes, would be distributed under the GPLv3 licence, but I have now discovered that this is not the case, in a move that I frankly cannot understand. Hope that changes in the near future, but it’s not very likely to happen I guess
I’ll hold off on a new phone to watch for this. Android could be great without Google’s nonsense. An OS that has high end hardware support and continues to work on convergence with desktop Linux both by the communities development and Google’s
Exactly. Google is evil, and I don’t want Google-related things on my phone.
Anyone guessed Jolla? If not, I place my bet…
Do they count as major?
Certainly not
Not sure I’d trust Graphene so long as Daniel is still involved
I don’t know… Part of me thinks that someone overruled Daniel on this decision. He stepped down as the main dev years ago, but is still a director… maybe the other directors overruled Daniel?
But again, I don’t know. I’m just shooting from the hip.
Sock puppets.
Can you elaborate?
Techlore and Rrossman both have excellent videos going into detail the long history of his negative impacts on the community
Because linking to the site itself rather than the video is useless - https://techlore.tv/w/auQigUjYTqkME1Bj7uPEPm
In all the time i looked online Ive never found a legitimate basis for these vague claims of drama around Graphene. See a lot of it in Louis Rossman circles (nothing against him, but he made a dramatic video on YT about leaving GrapheneOS) it’s reactionary at best. Someone got blocked people got mad, full story only the ones directly involved know.
Louis was directly involved, and he brought receipts.
Daniel is extremely paranoid (arguably part of why GOS is as secure as it is), but that paranoia can also lead to anxiety and assuming everyone is “out to get you”.
Daniel resigned 2 years ago and I always see these comments conveniently leave that out.
Daniel resigned as the head developer a few years ago.
The incident in question happened before that. Also, he’s still listed as a Graphene OS Foundation director, which means he still has a lot of pull.
I always see these comments conveniently leave that out.
You should probably brush up on your research instead of simping.
My point stands, a lot of petty personal stuff that seems unrelated to GrapheneOS. But there is never anything fruitful from engaging you types.
Lots of people blocked. Rossman made excellent points.
Every cell phone manufacturer has some interest in diversifying the operating systems. Because Google develops Android and sells its own cell phones, it has an unfair market edge. And now Google is threatening to filter out apps that it doesn’t like which makes the risk even higher.
So we can be sure all of the other major manufacturers of Android phones have considered if they’d like to support other distributions.
Maybe they will make deal with other distributors to ship their exclusive app stores and so that would be a good economic move for them
manufacturer will offer GrapheneOS support on future versions of their existing models, priced similarly to Pixels.
Great, so I still won’t afford it…
I paid $120 for each Pixel I own.
I refuse to pay a premium to have the “latest and greatest gadget”
Finally, some good news!
Let’s hope so. This should be my last Pixel if it all plays out like that.
