• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    There is no country where everyone can freely express their opinions on political and social topics, though. The west also practices censorship on communists and anti-imperialists, the difference is that China censors the wealthy and reactionary instead of magnifying them.

    Did you read Jason Hickels article on western skepticism towards Chinese citizens answering these polls honestly? Using a variety of sources, the conclusion is quite explicit:

    In other words, people in China do not seem to self-censor based on fear. The authors conclude: “Across a variety of studies using different methodologies, a good deal of evidence suggests that the Chinese people are willing to answer politically sensitive questions in a truthful manner.” (emphasis mine)

    What’s happening is that working class speech is relatively free, while capitalist and corporate speech is not. That’s why the vast majority say they have freedom of speech, while we know the state censors private, capitalist speech.

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      There are lots of countries, including all the western countries where fewer people answered affirmatively to that question, where people are far more free to express their opinions than in China, though. The most obvious reason being that the majority of the world’s countries do not have a Great Firewall. This is what shows that there is a bias in the Chinese answers – or possibly a bias the other way in the western ones, but either way it means the results are not meaningfully comparable.

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      What’s happening is that working class speech is relatively free, while capitalist and corporate speech is not. That’s why the vast majority say they have freedom of speech, while we know the state censors private, capitalist speech.

      “I don’t want to work the 996 work week” is the epitome of working class speech, whereas supporting it is corporate speech. China chose to censor it.

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        There are a lot of elements of the firewall that are something Europe should consider emulating, because it’s also keeping US slop out of the country and protecting domestic industry and stopping US meddling through electronic warfare. It allows for China to develop its own internal economy rather than be hollowed out and made dependent on Silicon Valley. It’s tech sovereignty.

        Imagine if Europe replaced Facebook, Instagram, Xitter, and Youtube with its own internally developed and regulated platforms. No more tech dependency! China made the right choice and it’s becoming more clear as enshitification ruins the internet.

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        “I don’t want to work the 996 work week” is the epitome of working class speech, whereas supporting it is corporate speech. China chose to censor it.

        Let’s see your evidence of that

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            Oh good, you’re at the point of outright lying: your source doesn’t contain your claim, so I can only conclude you’re just deliberately being dishonest to waste people’s time or in the hope they wouldn’t check.

            Western sinophobes continue to demonstrate that they start with their conclusions and then that whatever bad faith tricks are needed to try to justify them.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        The Firewall is for domestic inrernet and infrastructure development. VPNs aren’t punished, and the Firewall doesn’t stop you from saying what you want, it just prevents foreign spyware like Facebook from becoming popular in China. There isn’t actually meaningful bias in the surveys, the fact that foreign spyware isn’t allowed doesn’t mean Chinese citizens don’t know about freedom or anything.

        Secondly, the idea that “I don’t want to work the 996 work week” is censored is laughable. People in China are allowed to complain about working conditions, that’s part of how they’ve been able to rapidly improve them year over year for decades.