• BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    8 months ago

    This logic relies on the entire Jewish population in the US siding with Israel. They dont. What Israel is doing is fucking evil and a lot of people know it, regardless of faith or culture.

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      8 months ago

      There are unfortunately an order of magnitude more non-Jew Zionists than Jew Zionists because its a popular belief in extreme (and not so extreme) Christian ideologies. Something to do with the rapture starting there.

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      8 months ago

      This logic relies on the entire Jewish population in the US siding with Israel. They dont.

      No, but look at the numbers. 7.5 million jews vs. 250k palestinians. Even if only 10% sides with Israel (and I’d be willing to bet that percentage is significantly higher), that’s still 3X the size of the entire palestinian population, which means Biden would still be in worse shape than he’s in now.

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        8 months ago

        Your math continues to ignore the large subsection of Jewish Americans who are anti-Zionist.

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          8 months ago

          The other piece the the equation is that he’s under pressure from the right to glass the whole of Gaza. It’s really an unwinnable bind. Save the Palestinians for a few months but throw away the last chance at elections continuing in the US, and then Palestine gets glassed anyway.

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            8 months ago

            So instead Biden will continue to support the genocide until Trump takes over.

            It’s the worst outcome for both Palestine and America, and yet the Biden administration continues to choose this horrible path.

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              8 months ago

              So what’s the solution?

              Biden flip-flops. Now he’s pissed off the Jewish people. They don’t vote for Biden, Trump wins anyway, Gaza gets turned into an even bigger wasteland. Not sure why people think this is somehow the better solution.

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                8 months ago

                If Biden changes course and ends the genocide, he will not lose the Jewish people, he will only lose the Zionist people. These Zionists are a small sliver of the American electorate.

                Of course a change in position would have to be accompanied by a change in propaganda. The onesided pro-Israel rhetoric spewed by him and his press team would have to change to a humanist, anti-war stance. They could start by highlighting some of the atrocities committed by Israel instead of downplaying them. MSNBC and local news would quickly follow suit and pick up the party line. People should be talking about a mass grave with 400 bodies instead of a broken window at Columbia.

                Obviously there would be a loud backlash from prominent Zionists, but again in the big scheme of the electorate they matter very little. The current Biden strategy of forfeiting the young, the anti-war, and the Islamic demographics would be significantly worse.

                You can call this idea farfetched, but thats only because Biden is so entrenched in his position. I believe it’s the best option to save the Biden presidency and avoid a Trump second term.