cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/15904702
“This was intentional,” said U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib. “You don’t accidentally kill massive amounts of children and their families over and over again and get to say, ‘It was a mistake.’”
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/15904702
“This was intentional,” said U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib. “You don’t accidentally kill massive amounts of children and their families over and over again and get to say, ‘It was a mistake.’”
The difference between “ the most moral army in the world” and the rest of us is that they are willing to kill children.
Are you?
Would I bomb a proven terrorist who is known to be plotting the deaths of more children even if he’s surrounded by his family? Yes, unfortunately.
This isn’t a “who likes killing children” competition. It’s a really shitty trolley dilemma where inaction means letting killers continue to plot their next campaign targeting women and children
If leaving them alone meant you didn’t know if their next target was your kids school, or your wife’s place of work, or your parents retirement village, would you press the button on them or not?
What if he was surrounded by your family? Would you still do it then?
That’s the price that you are asking others to pay for your war
You’re right, I wouldn’t. But you must realise trolley dilemmas are shit for exactly this reason. It exposes the fact that, at the end of the day, yes, we will prioritise our own children over someone else’s. What people don’t seem to acknowledge is that this is the choice presented to Israel. People act like the choice is “kill children or don’t kill children” as if it’s that black and white and crude. When it’s really “kill Hamas now with collateral damage or wait for the next time they deliberately target women, children, babies”. They’re the actual two tracks to choose between. I don’t blame Israel for killing Hamas wherever they find them and not accepting their cowardly attempt to use their relatives as shields.
I’m not willing to let terrorists dictate the terms of war because they are so deranged they let their own kids die, and be proud about it. So yes if there are, terrorists or tunnels there, all that’s required is a reasonable attempt to warn. People want to take their kids with them that’s up to them. I’m not willing to see another generation of Palestinians die hopeless under a theocratic dictatorship that only retains power by terror financing from Iran and the charity from the West, which prevents the Palestinian people from realizing how shitty their chosen leadership it.
So yes or no, you are ok with someone killing children to get what they want?
Have you heard of a thing called depth or nuance? Not everything is as simple as one sentence.
Kids always die in wars. Does that mean war is never moral? No. I’m not okay with kids getting bombed. Their parents and community should heed the warnings instead of supporting terrorists. 99.3% of Palestinians are managing not to get blown up while hanging out with Hamas commanders.
My point is, if you have decided to pull the trigger, knowing you’re gonna kill a kid, I hope you die a painful death and no longer care what you think.
It’s just tragic coincidence after tragic coincidence after tragic coincidence.
At what point do you stop believing these are accidents?
Sometimes they aren’t. I have hope Israel, as a democracy, will sort its shit out at the ballot box. Same as I hope for my own country, and throughout the western world. We all have rightwing nutjobs we need to be excising from our politics.
I have zero hope that will happen for any Palestinian or really virtually anyone in the middle east outside of Israel. I have more hope for Iraq as a beacon of democratic ideals than I do for Gaza. Gaza is a lost cause and nobody is going to miss Hamas or remember a few score thousands of collateral deaths, attributable entirely to Hamas’s leadership.
E: Not just me https://www.idea.int/gsod-2021/africa-middle-east
I will remember, and I will make sure to tell others if they begin to forget.
It’s not a whole beach, but you have to do it one starfish at a time
C’mon don’t kid. This is a footnote in history and will be remembered as little more than a local police matter. A war with Iran on the other hand, is going to kill 35,000 people by the hour, by the minute perhaps. Imagine how sad that’s going to be for you!
That’s the starfish I’m thinking about. Not you though. You have the one right in front of you that you’re talking about saving on the internet, not actually saving, and can’t see there is actually a starfish steamroller coming down the beach and the starfish you are tying to save are the ones that invited the steamroller to come.
So, in your opinion, this is all okay because the alternative is war with Iran?
Why are you so sure that will happen if Palestine and Hamas survive? Are you concerned that it might be bias giving you so much confidence?
I have to say that it appears like you are just imagining a worse outcome (whether likely or not) and using it to justify a slightly less bad outcome.
Seems like shaky ground, no?