• 166 Posts
  • 788 Comments
Joined 9 months ago
cake
Cake day: July 25th, 2024

help-circle
  • Actually, vegans care about those insects too! The logic goes as follows:

    • Plant-based diets not only don’t kill and torture animals who have a higher capacity to suffer than insects, but just as importantly
    • Plant-based diets use substantially fewer crops than animal-based ones. This is just a consequence of thermodynamics that every step of the chain loses more and more energy, and thus more crops are needed at each stage. This is a major reason (other than prions) why you won’t usually see carnivores raised for food: it’d be wildly inefficient because you’d need way more crops and way more resource usage. The land usage for animal products is massive, and even the most “efficient” animals like chickens take 1.5 to 2 kg of crops for 1 kg of growth (we’re talking about cows here, though, where the ratio is fucking enormous: around 4.5:1 to 7.5:1), and even then a lot of this growth goes toward things like bones which are used for byproducts rather than food.

    Vegans don’t eat insects because we care about insects. Vegans don’t eat honey because we care about insects. And logically, we don’t eat meat, milk, eggs, etc. because we care about insects. Veganism is about excluding animal exploitation “as far as is possible and practicable”, not about being literally perfect. And the difference in scale here is enormous. This argument is made all the time without realizing that if you care about insects, the first and most effective thing you can do is not to use animal products.


  • Answer:

    • The water-intensive farming is absolutely fucking the ecology of the American southwest in a way that’s effectively irreversible on human timescales.
    • The money being generated by this farming is going to a select few completely undeserving, morally bankrupt people who know the damage they’re doing and are hoarding swathes of land and water rights they were given for effectively nothing generations ago.
    • This alfalfa is then shipped internationally to Saudi Arabia literally halfway across the world, generating greenhouse gas emissions and other forms of pollution.
    • This alfalfa is then used to grow cattle, meaning that value is being extracted from the US – at a meager cost compared to the externalities we bear – and given to the theocratic shithole whose entire economy is based on destroying the planet that is Saudi Arabia.
    • Edit: the cows produce a bunch of methane over their lifetime.
    • The cows are then brutally murdered for food despite extensive evidence that cows can feel pain and do feel emotions like fear.
    • This cow meat is then fed to people despite the fact that 1) red meat is a class 2a carcinogen (and frankly in light of evidence that vegetarian and vegan diets reduce risks of certain cancers by double-digit percentages, we’re all just waiting until it’s confirmed rather than heavily suspected as a carcinogen), 2) it substantially increases the risk of heart disease, and 3) it elevates the risk for diabetes when compared to plant-based foods which are cheaper and less resource-intensive to create.

    It’s a benefit to essentially everyone if alfalfa farming becomes less profitable. The entire chain from water to cow meat is unjust, cruel, and otherwise fucking terrible.



































  • It’s also just dumb that imagery taken from a street isn’t doing anything privacy-invading or illegal yet they still feel the need to coddle paranoid NIMBYs. Street View can sometimes be useful for OSM, since you might’ve been there but forgotten to document something, are too far away, etc. Street View as a concept works to the public’s benefit, although Google owning it and it being proprietary isn’t good. I can see this removal feature being a good thing by probably one out of every thousand times it’s actually used, namely in the case that you have some kind of stalker (even then, though, satellite view 99% of the time would give you a concerning amount of info compared to Street View).