be_excellent_to_each_other

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Cake day: June 21st, 2023

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  • I had a guy on reddit WAAAY back when the war was just starting (when it was clear they would invade, but either had not yet or had literally just begun hours before) tell me all the Ukrainian citizens had to do was not resist and accept their Russian citizenship, the Russian soldiers were their ethnic bretheren, it would all be over nearly bloodlessly in three days, and of course Putin would not harm anyone if he didn’t have to.

    I was in disbelief that he believed this was true, or that he could believe there was any possibility they’d just stand by and let themselves be invaded. A month or so later I dug out the thread and called him out for his ridiculous bullshit (which had already been ridiculous bullshit when he first said it) and he gave me some version of “any bloodshed is the fault of Ukraine” and cursed me out.

    I fathom neither how anyone sees Ukraine as anything other than the victim in this war, nor how anyone could ever have thought this would be quick and bloodless.



  • As brief overview:

    • I generally only hear people in common conversation complaining that someone told them once that they heard someone say black people can’t be racist. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone in the wild claim it with a straight face - because many people use racism and bigotry interchangeably, and it’s quite plain that anyone can be a bigot. However:

    • Racism by sociological definition is something that only the group in power can engage in (paraphrasing) so your problem, like most people who bring this up, is probably:

    1. You heard from someone that someone else said “black people can’t be racist” one time, but have probably never actually been told “black people can’t be racist.” (Which is sort of multiple layers of irony, because if you define the word correctly, they can’t, at least generally not in the US.)

    and/or

    1. You are using racism and bigotry as synonyms. Anyone can be a bigot, racially prejudiced, etc. Black folks can absolutely be bigoted and racially prejudiced towards others, just like anyone else can.

    Here’s a snippet of a definition from an into to sociology:

    Racism is a stronger type of prejudice and discrimination used to justify inequalities against individuals by maintaining that one racial category is somehow superior or inferior to others; it is a set of practices used by a racial dominant group to maximize advantages for itself by disadvantaging racial minority groups.

    The text goes on to say this doesn’t preclude racial minorities from being prejudiced, bigots, etc.

    And finally, and really this was all that truly needed to be said: In my experience, most of what people complain about online as “racism against white people” turns out to be nothing of the sort, and I’m personally doubtful MLK would have had a sympathetic ear for the common examples I see, either.

    Edit: Forgot the link.

    Edit again: Still forgot the link

    https://openstax.org/books/introduction-sociology-3e/pages/11-3-prejudice-discrimination-and-racism

    Edit - so many edits to be sure I’m saying what I mean to.