ikanreed

@prole @Teon

Unfortunately, one of the conservatives’ strategies at play here is they only give “right of conscience” to people with political power over other people.

They aren’t giving normal citizens the right to object to anything, they’re giving unelected officers the right to torment those beneath them.

And unless you’re willing to be as evil to innocent people as they are, you can’t fight that war.

In the end what they’re destroying here is the rule of law itself.

@protist @K1nsey6 I agree. Biden is not engaging in the behavioral pattern called projecting.

Biden is hypocritical as hell, though, because he hasn’t taken a goddamn stand for anything, save for starting new wars to defend an ongoing genocide.

@MicroWave yeah but the supreme court can easily threaten the constitution. That’s what 2/3rds of them were appointed to do in the first place.🤷‍♂️

@givesomefucks and, in fact, it is that willingness to betray that is why the right wing controls the democratic party.

@AllonzeeLV I think the basic logic is that if they’re as bad as us, they don’t make it past their own global environmental catastrophes.

@jhymesba And here’s where you show you’re not just okay with genocide in some vague “Stop trump” capacity, but a full-on pro-genocide monster yourself.

Slaughtering 10 thousand children, after Hamas killed a bunch of concentration camp guards isn’t “self defense”.

You’re just evil.

@kool_newt so you agree, a vote is an active choice that reflects on you as a human being?

@kool_newt I really wanted to let this go, but what the fuck is wrong with you that you think “I will not support genocide” is radical?

You toothless amoral cretin. Go back to your servile obsequence to whatever politicians your betters decide for you and leave me alone.

@kool_newt oh I made my choice. I hope some day you will realize that you have too and what it means got you.

@kool_newt I’m deontologically committed to not being personally aparty to genocide, and your commitment to a utilitarian calculus where genocide is a given, is exactly why I’ve made that choice.

@agent_flounder I’m not going to choose between two different far right genocidal monsters.

There’s no rhetorical game here. What you’re asking me to do is an evil my conscience won’t bear, and yours will because of your moral cowardice.

@MagicShel that’s the difference in our understanding there.

You are what you do. And what he has done is send billions of dollars and two carrier groups to back up, by far, the biggest crime against humanity in the 21st century, already beating Iraq and blowing anything else out of the water.

There’s no excuse I’ll accept for that

@MagicShel voting for a genocidal monster isn’t standing up to fascism. There is a rot deep in your soul if you’ll let yourself fall that far.

@MagicShel We’re making it much much much much worse, providing direct financial and military aid to a country actively slaughtering tens of thousands and displacing millions to facilitate ethnic cleansing.

It’s not that trump wouldn’t be worse, just they supporting Biden is totally and completely unconscionable. And to do so sacrifices a piece of your soul.

@MagicShel I know this is hard to understand, but genocide affects our decision making, and some of us would even prefer our country to fall to complete ruin than be aparty to it. Never again isn’t “never again unless it would be politically expedient”

Do you understand what I mean? That there are lines that can never, ever be crossed?

Do you understand why I’d never be able to look in the mirror again after that?

@Sethayy the existence of people not offended by something prejudiced always seems to be dragged out as a justification for that prejudice.

If some people being offended isn’t reason enough not to say something, then it stands to reason that some people not being offended isn’t a reason why it’s okay.

If it is, then there are definitely people who are offended.

@Telorand I’ll moralize any genocide denying evil fuck I want

@Telorand it’s one hundred percent black and white for me and your ambivalence on the matter disgusts me.

@Telorand I think he lost the “not fascism” vote by providing direct military support to an ongoing genocide

@Bebo There’s been evidence for a long time that pythagoras was more cult-leader than mathematician, and his cult falsely attributed lots of things to him.