There’s not much to learn by talking with people that already agree with you
Hey, i’m visiting some family currently and they’re watching another one of these news channels owned by billionaires, they’re regularly saying that crimes are done by immigrants and totally ignoring that the poors 100% french hated the police as well 100 years ago, and did more crimes than the wealthy, it’s so obvious that it isn’t linked to being black or arab, that their solution of being even more cruel towards them(, social benefits, authority, police, …,) is f*cking ignorant. They’re talking all day about islam and insecurity(, which isn’t growing in %, it only gives such impressions because the laws changed, surveys should be trusted instead), yet such experts would be absolutely unable to explain why these behaviours were exactly the same in the past with “true” french poors(, e.g., they called cops “les cognes”, etc.). When i’m pointing the obvious(, going back millenias in the past), they’ll just shrug it off and continue to call it a civilizational problem, history goes in circles.
Is it more or less the same in the u.s.a. ? I’d be interested to know your vision of their propaganda.
But it’s also preventing others from lemmy.world to see posts or comments from lemmygrad/hexbear/…(, as well as preventing them to post or comment), they’re not leaving the choice to lemmy.world users(, nor even asking them).
I suppose that :
In their point of view, the economical success is thanks to them.
Their conservative take on what they perceive as excessive “progressivism” is saving America from making a mistake.
Their opposition to censorship and the right to bear guns.
They want to fight crimes, and in their view criminals wouldn’t exist because they would be too afraid of being caught.
They believe that taxation is a theft, or at least excessive, and that they’re protecting the u.s.a. from an oppressive government. That without them people would have an easy life so wouldn’t work hard(, true to an extent, poor workers exist though, and childs of wealthy families have more interesting jobs).
They love freedom.
I.d.k., i don’t know them enough to defend them, including for the (far-)right of my own country, it’s a bit of a shame really, once you disagree with them their speeches aren’t very informative, that’s why i kinda regret not to have them to speak with.
You’re right at first sight, i didn’t know that, interesting considering that eastern Europe banned communist symbols and political parties :
However i’m wondering if you know the republican point of view, representing half of the voting population after all. They’re apparently saying that they’re against poverty, but somehow believe that giving more money to the wealthy is the correct way, that they’re not racist, but are mixing the consequences of being poor with the social determinism of our system(, or that we’re being replaced in France), they’re equating socialism with authoritarianism, saying that we don’t know economy, and that crime should be fought with more “authority”, and many more things, they’re just mistaken and nobody deserves (y)our hate, everyone makes mistakes, i think it was the point of view of @Mango and it’s also mine. I, for one, regretted their absence from reddit and also on Lemmy, it’s not by excluding them that things will improve i.m.o.
You’re believing that fascism is on the rise but we’re no better than the fascists banning the socialists/communists if we’re banning fascists instead of accepting&debating with them. Things are indeed getting worse, i agree with you on this(, and @Mango as well probably), more censorship isn’t the answer i.m.o.
that’s all fine
It never is, sry for the “reddit” hivemind, corners of the Internet are different as you know, 🤷♂️.
And lemmy.world censored lemmygrad.ml and hexbear and others by defederating with them, as well as enterprises and the government.
If i may interject : do you really not see a difference between the republican party and our archetype of nazis ?
Should they be banned then ?
I don’t understand people like you.
For me, it’s impossibly naive to believe that our disinformation( doesn’t exist, or) will be censored as much as the disinformation of our opponents, yet that’s apparently the new mainstream opinion.
And x.com is the only social media to have implemented Community Notes.