Include a basic definition of what you consider trolling. Because people seem to deem a huge variety of things trolling. Silly comments are fine but no direct personal insults.

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    Trolling is what happens when someone decides normal human interaction is overrated and instead tries to provoke, annoy, or derail others on purpose.

    More precisely, trolling is posting or saying things not because they’re true or useful, but because they’re likely to trigger emotional reactions . That can include:

    1. Deliberately offensive or absurd claims
    2. Pretending to hold extreme views just to bait responses
    3. Pursuing arguments for personal entertainment rather than wider discussion
    4. Repeatedly derailing conversations

    The key feature isn’t just being wrong or rude. It’s intent . A troll wants a reaction. If people get angry, confused, or dragged into pointless debate, the troll considers that a win.

    The term itself comes from fishing, where you “troll” by dragging bait through the water and waiting for something to bite. Internet trolls just swapped fish for human attention, which, as it turns out, is even easier to catch.

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    Trolling is a art. Trolling should be done softly, and should leave plausible deniability until and unless you get to a point where blowing your cover maximizes lulz. Trolling should split the room into roughly the following groups: 85% bewildered bystanders, 10% angry, and 5% who see what you’re doing and either leave you alone or join in. Those numbers are fluid but the point holds that in an ideal situation the majority of people are either too confused to say anything or are on your side.

    As I’ve grown up (read: I am not a thirteen year old boy anymore) I’ve started to realize that beyond being mean-spirited bigotry is just not very lulzy. In general good trolling shines a light on how someone who is being loud about their very strong and very wrong opinions online is a complete moron. Annoying the fuck out of hate groups is also acceptable.

    Edit: there’s also just being weird and fucking with people by way of a harmless prank

    In conclusion trolling is a land of contrasts.

  • Trolling is intentionally saying shit to get a rise out of people.

    Going into a general gaming community and saying “Fortnite sucks ass” isn’t, necessarily, trolling.

    Going into a Fortnite community to say the same thing is trolling.

    And note: Just because it pissed you off doesn’t make it trolling. A person saying something you do not personally like or agree with isn’t trolling, but this seems to be how a ton of Lemmings define it.

    The only kind of trolling I am cool with is when fishing.

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      Oh shoot I just realized that trolling is named after fishing trolling (dragging large amounts of bait behind you) and not the troll under the bridge.

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      I started reading about this wiki articleas a fishing metaphor, for a specific type of trolling technique. I discovered way to late that it is not. Learned some new things though.

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      Trolling is intentionally saying shit to get a rise out of people.

      Going into a general gaming community and saying “Fortnite sucks ass” isn’t, necessarily, trolling.

      Going into a Fortnite community to say the same thing is trolling.

      And note: Just because it pissed you off doesn’t make it trolling. A person saying something you do not personally like or agree with isn’t trolling, but this seems to be how a ton of Lemmings define it.

      The only kind of trolling I am cool with is when fishing.

  • ℕ𝕖𝕞𝕠@slrpnk.net
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    Eh, it’s hard to nail down.

    Shitposting is like trolling, except it’s fun.

    Propaganda is like trolling, except it’s serious.

    I guess the defining characteristics is that trolling is fun for the troll but not for anyone else.

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    Trolling comes in many forms. In general, I see trolling as provocative and/or deceitful attention seeking. Some is obviously fairly benign, a gentle reminder that it’s the internet and people cannot always be trusted. The worst of it is anti-social behavior which is destructive and harmful, not only to individuals but to social groups as a whole.

    My thoughts on the anti-social stuff is that it’s perplexing. I’ve seen it tear online communities apart. The perplexing part isn’t necessarily why someone would want to do that. It’s easy enough to assume it’s about having control, being able to inflict harm on others, and other similar motivations. The perplexing part, to me, is that in sufficiently large groups, there are always other users who celebrate the drama and those who seem to lack any degree of impulse control to simply not feed the troll. So, it’s pretty much a guarantee that there will be people around to feed the troll(s). Without those essentially willful supporters, most troll(s) would be neutralized as they’d have no targets, nobody there to amplify their antics, and/or insufficient reward to continue trolling.

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    I have no time or interest in it. I might be an asshole from time to time, but it’s never to get my kicks. I’ve written and deleted many comments where I couldn’t find a way to give a person grace in what they said. Some slip through in a momentary lapse but for the most part I’m here for a moment of companionship with my fellow passengers of life. We can all go anywhere to be bitter; I’d rather not do it here.

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    So as you say what people consider trolling can vary greatly. Im old school and consider trolls like trolls under the bridge. In the old chat rooms they would come to stir things up usually by bringing up controversial subjects that would get the group arguing rather than talking about the subject in general. They generally would lurk and find out what made a particular group all heated. That is trolling to me. I worked at a school though and a student was describing what they though trolling was and it was like. anything. he liked pushed my shoulder and was like. see thats a troll. like doing anything annoying or mean in any way or something. The funny thing is I was extrememly sarcastic and was the first to jump on devils advocate in discussions. This is great when you are in actual casualy debate type of convos with pretty smart people that have the energy to do it. Sucks in the internet age though. People don’t pick up on it and I often say I fear being sarcastic lest I create a new conspiracy theory or belief. None of that was mean spirited though it was more of an intellectual challenge type of thing that was great when taken in stride. I never liked mean spirited trolling and as I said I even tamp down on my sarcasm and such as much as I can. Not just because of the internet though but also because I lack the energy. That is internet related as being sarcastic with people that don’t get it is exhausting.

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    Couple ppl I’ve seen who say nothing positive at all, about anything; they only say negative, critical things.

    Or people who sign up on a message board with a deliberately extreme username and post highly insulting essays about entire groups of ppl. Just blocked one of those yesterday, in fact.

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      Apparently my wife is a troll because she has depression.

      I think being intentionally disingenuous is a hard requirement.

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        I don’t think it’s depression—these are people who make a point of being buttheads. Responses like: “So what?” “If only you could look that up yourself…” “Yes, you’re the only one…” “No, nobody else does that” “Yes you’re the asshole” in response to everything. I don’t think they’re depressed—I think they’re deliberately being assholes. There are people on reddit who seem to be trying to get the lowest karma count they can.

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      define negative.

      i notice when i discuss factual realities, they get labeled as ‘negative’ and when people spout delusional nonsense that has no basis in reality, they think it is ‘being positive’.

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        I mean, do you think there are good and positive things in the world. If yes, do you occasionally talk about them? Assuming those factual realities are negative, is it the only thing you talk about? Can you see a positive thing without associating it with, then tying it to a negative? Seems like you’re being obtuse about the point the user is making or trying to soap box something idk.

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          No. everything has benefits and costs. nothing is purely positive or negative.

          plus people have different perspectives. what i find positive for myself, others see as a negative thing about me. Like I am proud of how I grew up, others often use my background to dismiss and mock me and think it makes me a horrible human being.

  • hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    Trolling is interacting with people, usually disingenuously, with the goal of eliciting a specific, usually negative, reaction. It certainly is possible to troll people by telling the truth (or without saying a word) and it’s certainly possible to be aiming for a reaction that isn’t negative, but usually there’s an element of being disingenuous to piss someone off.

    Trolling is inevitable. Sometimes it’s politically motivated, sometimes it’s for fun, sometimes it’s literally a game with actual points. Some trolls are obvious, some are nearly impossible to tell from the genuine article.

    The impact of trolling varies based on the subject, the target, and the method. Usually I find it’s best to ignore the possibility of trolling unless it’s obvious, simply due to the fact that assuming people are trolling may interfere with genuine communication, whereas assuming people are being genuine only interferes with meaningless interactions. Some say it’s better to ignore trolls, but personally I think it’s better to focus on content rather than intent. Interact when interaction is called for, ignore when it isn’t, and don’t pull your hair out wondering whether it’s a real conversation.

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    Before most trolling became toxic, there was the variant of light trolling which was nice and very fun. I remember one person presenting a talk at a hacker conference about trolling, but all they did was talking about trolling as in fishing… for the whole talk. It was a nice way to waste everyone’s time.

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      For those who might be confused, the term for fishing is trawling, which means dragging a net behind the boat.

      So it’s a pun loosely based on a homophone, although trawl is pronounced more like the first syllable in trolley. With the right accent they sound similar, though.

  • U7826391786239@piefed.zip
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    arguing an opposing point for no other reason than to piss people off, with no intention of reaching agreement or understanding

    i troll nazis

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      I troll everyone on occasion. Really just depends on the context. I do think I’d need to know your definition of nazi though.

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        this article is a pretty good examination of the term

        https://www.rosalux.de/en/news/id/53586/maga-trump-and-the-question-of-american-fascism

        Fascist regimes are characterized by authoritarian governance, the suppression of democratic institutions, and the concentration of power in the hands of a few. Redemption rule saw similar tendencies in the South, where democratic processes were subverted (with open terror) to maintain white supremacy.

        pretty much what we have in the states right now, and i would extend the name “nazi” to those on the bottom rung who support the nazi regime, even though they fight tooth and nail to distance themselves from being nazis-- if someone’s talking about “antifa” (anti-fascist, note) as if it’s some evil organization that’s trying to replace white people, then it’s a safe bet that person is a nazi

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      You think that’s fighting them and helping us, but really all it’s doing is feeding the trolls and reinforcing their beliefs and group bonds by giving them someone to unite against.

      You’re not “trolling” them, you’re feeding them.

      Does it make sense now?

      Will you stop encouraging nazis?

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        giving them someone to unite against.

        they are already united against everyone who isn’t one of them. part of their core identity (by design) is to flat out reject any ideas that don’t align with their nazi mindset. it’s the same in any other cult you’ve ever heard of. their greatest fear is to be shunned and cast out of the cult. watch that documentary “going clear” about scientology to get an idea-- it’s extremely difficult to remove someone from that cult programming

        so–mockery, ridicule, shaming them–i will never stop until i’m dead

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          What you’re doing isn’t helping, it’s hurting

          https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Dont-Feed-the-Trolls.pdf

          “Don’t feed the trolls” started out as common sense, because everyone should be able to easily understand it.

          However you are not the only one who can’t understand it on their own, and an absolute shit ton of people have put the time in trying to explain it

          But if you can’t understand this, there’s I absolutely no way you’re “deprogramming” anyone.

          You are actively working against what you say you want to accomplish, I’m not going to out any more time explaining this, because in 2026 if people really don’t understand “don’t feed the trolls” there is zero fucking way no one else has tried to explain this to you

          You are either incapable or unwilling to understand the most basic point of internet etiquette for over 30 years

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            people are getting rounded up, detained, murdered. we are in another pointless war. whatever checks and balances there ever were in government are gone.

            i will not agree that my (or anyone’s) trolling of nazis has had any part in these outcomes, in fact, letting these people run amok without calling them out, i think, led more to it than anything else.

            i understand you’re mad, but like many other “let’s try ‘talking’ to these nazis” or “let’s just ignore them” people, you’re mad about the wrong thing

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              The above poster at least brought a reference. Here’s another covering the backfire effect in general https://psychotricks.com/backfire-effect/

              People are a tricky problem. They don’t often work the way one would think, and certainly not the way we might wish. I think it’s a fair position to take that the social media environment, and the way people with opposing views interact there, has had a non-negligible impact on the rise in extreme views. That definitely includes trolling.

              But here I am offering a differing opinion with a reference in support of the backfire effect, which is some next-level irony.

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                don’t worry, the science one would use to counter nazi viewpoints (climate science, health science (e.g., vaccine safety), LGBTQ studies, etc) is being actively obliterated by the regime put in power by the people we’ve been trying to talk rationally to for decades. the eventual outcome is of course that there will be no trolling or disagreement, only compliance with the party’s whims

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                  Are you completely unilaterally in support of everything on the left and believe everyone/thing on the right is equivalent to 1940s nazis? (Currently)

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    Being purposely stupid or argumentative. Usually with the intent to upset other people and/or for the instigator’s own amusement.

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    It’s being intentionally disingenuous to elicit a negative response from others.

    There are several subsets of trolls, though. It’s a spectrum.