I came here around the time the rif app shut down, and the general vibe I get from this place is much more negative than when I joined. Is Lemmy growing more toxic or is it just my imagination?
No. Fuck you.
/s
From a neutral viewpoint, the world is more divided than ever, no matter what values you have, there’s someone who opposes them with few, if any exceptions. Those opposing viewpoints have only grown in strength and number on the Internet, for years.
Additionally, the “us vs them” mentality of everyone is blinding them to even understanding why someone would disagree with their viewpoint. Of course that’s not everyone, but it’s a growing and very loud group.
Political violence is also starting to run rampant. Escalation after escalation. It keeps building.
So in this time of having a global voice, that can reach hundreds of millions of people with a single tweet or comment or thread or post or whatever, and with so much growing hatred among different political groups, it’s unsurprising to me that conflict is rising.
Additionally, Lemmy is growing. Not everyone that joins Lemmy will be the same type of person that joined Lemmy after the Reddit API incident. That influx of people had a very similar value set, because they almost all came here from Reddit for the same reason. So there’s at least a good amount of overlap in everyone’s values.
Over time, more and more diverse people have been joining Lemmy, and it’s not surprising that they have differing opinions on a lot of things.
This outcome was pretty much inevitable.
As far as I’m concerned, as long as it’s done respectfully and civilly, then disagree. Debate. Try to understand the opposing viewpoint, even if you don’t agree with it.
well have you noticed (waves at everything) in the world?
Check your communities, and what instances they’re on. Not all are created equal. lemmy.ml tends to be pretty wacko unless you’re of their particular ideological alignment, lemmy.world is very very large and thus has a very very large number of obnoxious shitheads compared to other instances. On the other hand, beehaw.org is intentionally and pathologically positive. I also find lemmy.ca quite friendly, though I might be biased.
Is lemmy.ml is the second largest instance? Or at least rapidly growing? That would explain why it feels this way.
.ml is the instance run by the developers of the Lemmy fediiverse software, and they themselves are tankies. Do with that information what you will.
Huh, TIL.
Do with that information what you will
Hey, some of us made our accounts when this was the Lemmy instance.
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Some of us joined much later when the apicalypse happened.
I see a lot more assholes from .world and .shtjstwrks
.ML peeps are either chill or really cringe depending on how militant they are.
It’s just .works, really.
The majority of shit stains I see are from .ml while .world is a close second.
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.ml stands for Marxist\Lenin afaik. And the mods\admins take it very seriously.
lemmy.world is very very large and thus has a very very large number of obnoxious shitheads
Yeah? Yeah, you think so? Obnoxious? Yeah? You sayin’ there’s obnoxious shitheads round these parts? That what you’re sayin’? Just wanna be clear! Well you’re wrong! Lemmy.World isn’t large at all. The whole fediverse combined isn’t very large! Not like my penis! Can’t believe you said Lemmy.World is full of obnoxious shitheads! Why would you think that? Can I have $20? Your mom gave me $20! Heyyyoooo!!!
Check your communities, and what instances they’re on. Not all are created equal. lemmy.ml tends to be pretty wacko
“Hey y’all, anyone feeling hostility on Lemmy”
“Yeah, let me tell you what, fuck those fuckers over there. They fucking suck and I hope they rot.”
Like, how do you not immediately block everyone on lemmy.ca after reading this hate?
I also find lemmy.ca quite friendly,
Sure, if you ignore the assholes who pop into other communities to take a colossal shit on them.
Bro they just said “tends to be pretty wacko”
That’s like, really mild. You might need to get some thicker skin.
I’m sorry if my post offended you.
Is that what you think happened here?
The irony of your stupidity and judgement in that post is hilarious.
Lemmy users are much more entrenched ideologically than an average layman. We all have strong opinions and it can get pretty heated. I avoid posting inflammatory posturing if I’m self aware enough. But I’m just as human and fallible as the rest.
Well, many of us are on the spectrum whether that be ADD, ADHD, Asperger’s, or some other form of autism. Helps us to be highly technical and computer savvy, doesn’t help so much with attempting to reframe “right and wrong,” for most of us.
Unfortunately the very entrenchment, ideologically speaking, that these particular “character traits” cause most of us to have, are being celebrated as “immunity to propaganda” in the media. The reality is that we have an innate sense of right and wrong, and that shit can get skewed all over the place in your formative years. The only remedy I have seen for this is the person intentionally exposing themselves to other cultures.
ADD, ADHD, Asperger’s, or some other form of autism
Wouldn’t the latter fixate more on logic & more likely oppose neurotypical nonsense like biases & overdramatic outrage?
This comment seems like an overly simplistic view
I see an attempt to attribute problematic conduct to conditions at least as likely to resist it & don’t necessarily promote it.
I’m not sure how much “bias” or “overdramatic outrage” are exclusive to NT people
No one wrote exclusive. I know autists & aspies find precautions around irrational neurotypical tendencies incredibly annoying like walking on eggshells.
Someone more self aware than me!? How dare you! /s
And they think the real world is reflective of what we talk about here. It’s truly bizarre. I’m terminally online, unemployed ATM, but I still get there’s an outside world.
Take all the Trump voter hate for example. Do they not truly understand how under and misinformed most Americans are? Watch Mamdami interview Trump voters in NYC. Not ONE was what we picture as MAGA.
Also, since Trump 1.0, people refuse to talk politics. We’re at a party last month and talking about my new, weird, .22 rifle. I started to bring up a thing in the Big Beautiful Bill that was on-topic and the only thing I find decent in it. “NO. We’re not talking politics.” “I’m NOT. I’m talking about one thing I think is cool and will help gun owners.” Jesus. Now we gotta dance on eggshells.
Yeah, the total destruction of community and third-places is I think the #1 cause of the division of political discourse, but second is that people refuse to engage with other human beings on the topic. They watch TV or browse online, and they get one extremely biased view of the world. They don’t share it with other people where they could get other points of view.
It used to be people would get the paper and talk about it with each other, but that’s taboo now. You take it to an online community who all agree with you. There’s a reason why the infamous Thanksgiving family gathering caused strife. It’s because people were actually having discussions and disagreements. Disagreement is healthy, but people seem allergic to it now.
Disagreement is only healthy if both people are approaching it with the desire to further their understanding
Honestly, I disagree still. That’s the ideal, but even just seeing that there are other opinions held by people you care about is good. If you live in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you then you think you must be right on everything.
Disagreement with unreasonable people does not change your opinions, it hardens them in the worst way. Also I don’t care about the people making unreasonabke arguments
I think it depends on the situation. I’m not saying to spend time arguing with them. I’m just saying showing them there’s another position that reasonable people they know hold is good. Most people are told the only people who hold a different position than them are crazy people.
I do care about these people, because they vote.
Do they not truly understand how under and misinformed most Americans are?
Um, that’s exactly why we are pissed off at them. It’s easier than ever to be informed yet people act like it’s harder, somehow. Pretty fucking enraging.
In my experience, no one but trumpers refuse to talk politics. And it’s because they want to remain actively ignorant. Can’t have anyone revealing the giant holes in their fucked worldview. You might turn them trans, after all.
i’m on the spectrum and can’t handle political conversations if the other person is being confrontational. this doesn’t/shouldn’t make me a right winger, but would make you assume as much about me.
I was talking about in real life, and with people I know well enough to talk about anything remotely deep. Further, I didn’t say I would be confrontational in all cases.
Can confirm some asshole on .ml is chasing around my comments wasting both our time, isn’t that right mistermodal, you incel loser.
I wouldn’t call beehaw pathologically positive. They just seem to bee some very nice people that caught to create a community of nice people. It’s not a pathology, it’s a common understanding.
No, but I do actively block any community designed to rage bait like news, politics, and faith
This is the key. You are not required to engage with the rage. Block people, block communities, block instances! Curate your mood and don’t give space in it to things that will poison it.
The world is increasingly hostile, but let me still seems more humane than any other social media.
Isn’t it just people? Why did Rome fall? They had better tech, more people etc. I think they fell because the glue that held the society together dissolved. They had enough success that the human impulses that tear things apart were no longer suppressed. Lets kill people for sport, someone else should deal with the invaders, etc. A big part of that glue is apparent need. That guy in my way is the blacksmith that I need or I don’t know that guy get the F out of my way. Our major challenge has shifted from trying to survive to competition with other people. I think this is where a lot of the hostility comes from. Now add in another force, marketing and business. It’s not like they are really worried about your well-being. They prey on these things like a con artist preys on trust. Feed the easy things that everyone wants. A kid is going to choose the candy bar over the brussels sprouts most times. You deserve a break today, you deserve everything. Feed this and you end up with a lot of believers. I deserve everything and those people are preventing it. Plug in a system (AI) that only purpose is to get more of your attention and what will it feed you? Trolling, anger, hate are all easy. The feelings from them are strong, addicting even. They feel powerful. Stir well and spread widely. Pretty simple recipe. For the final topping, the people who rule us. Yah rule us. Do good people chase power in this environment? Can a good person stop the mob of 50 people that are gonna do some damage? At what point to people start giving up resisting those impulses and joining the mob. I want to do some damage too. As we see our leaders and the things they do, our examples, the people we trusted to do the right thing, the people who get the make the rules, who are so removed from the people they rule as I am from that ant I just stepped on. As this snowball gets bigger and faster it’s harder and harder to stop. Rolls over most things except that cliff where it will go splat. Everyone feels it. It’s hard to miss if you look. Any attempt to stop it creates a conflict between the stoppers and those that are fine in that snow ball and the people that are actively pushing that snowball. It will eventually stop and most times it’s a very messy stop. Why hasn’t there been a successful civilization that has lasted, people and who are people… ?
The hostility has been here for quite a while, though. When the migrating happened from Reddit to Lemmy it was all nice and cozy but after a year or so the hostility was already there. Very often people did not want to acknowledge this (and started to heavily downvote the particular comment stating this). Plus with what is happening* in the world, the negativity from reality seeps into the digital world.
But anyway, the best thing to do is just block anyone who is hostile towards you for no actual reason. Has no point to put energy and/ or time in it.
Yes, it seems to be.
Yes its more negative. Comes with more users who want to play keyboard warriors over things they feel strongly about.
Not really. But I purposely avoid any politics related community.
It makes no difference. The single minded fuckwits will inject politics into a thread about cheese sandwiches.
I would like to note that although correct this comment is itself a bit rude
I dont care if I offend the fuckwits. Maybe they can do a little self reflection.
I would recommend you do the same. Why do you think they are bringing up politics in seemingly unrelated conversations?
Read the part I wrote about “single minded fuckwits.”
That pretty much sums it up.
Is it possible that politics has relevancy to a large portion of our lives and cannot be cleanly separated from our other experiences?
This is the issue I’ve seen everywhere. Military grade TDS. Even if you want to chat about your love for onions in an onion-based community, someone will probably talk about how orange man destroyed onion farmland and is a fascist. I don’t think there’s a way to avoid the constant repetitive rage seeping into everything.
What is TDS?
Trump Derangement Syndrome, which is where people are concerned about Trump doing blatantly illegal shit (this is somehow a bad thing apparently)
One day historians will with any luck define whatever trump has as the Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Cheese sandwiches are a tool of capitalist oppression. They are a symbol of how the working class is unable to get the nutrition they need and is yet another attempt by the liberals to make you forget their support of genocide. Eating cheese sandwiches supports genocide.
how?, please teach me your secret
Depending on your client (i use Sync so im not sure about others) but using the filters for certain keywords can block out a bit of the noise. The first two i added a while back were ‘trump’ and ‘musk’ and it was immediately more pleasant.
I use Voyager and also used keyword filters. Currently I have “Trump, Musk, MAGA, GOP, Repubilcan, Democrat” I still get mostly US political crap content… It seems these filters only apply to the titles?
Compared to election season? Nah. But everybody sees different stuff on Lemmy.
I’ve seen a lot of hard exclusionary leftists making noise outside of the triad.
exclusionary leftists
Redundant.
I’d position myself further left than “progressive”, closer to “leftist”, but not of that brand that thinks that anyone who isn’t doing exactly what I want is the enemy.
Yeah, we tend to look down on things like people claiming 17 year olds are adults dtf
No, just an uptick in complaints about it.
Makes me pretty proud if my subscription list, honestly.
As a platform grows, you tend to get more diversity of voices. As voices become diverse, conflict becomes inevitable.
Lemmy isn’t really growing. I think it’s been shrinking actually.
Oh yeah? Well I think you’re wrong!
Yeah? Well, so’s your face!
Well, too bad, because I’m right!
