They ask for login on my always-on VPN so Youtube doesn’t exist for me.
I’ve lived on the internet before youtube, I can go back. I’ve even noticed I’ve been forcing myself to check out whats on youtube more and more over the past 5 years instead of wanting to check it out. So I kinda feel like I can drop it as a website I visit on its own and only consume it when specific posts link to it (like from lemmy). Next step after that is dropping it completely as video creators naturally move to different hosts.
Every company want to be a platform… I just them to host videos I can watch embedded on lemmy or some other site.
Obligatory message from Invidious gang
Freetube and pipepipe FTW!
Same with blue sky. They hit me up with an age check.
Never looked back.
My account is old enough to drink in most of the world. They better not try and age verify me lol.
The article says they take the age of your account into factor. You should read it.
I just don’t believe them. They will find a way to screw it up with AI, the same way they’ve screwed up youtube moderation.
The article also states that this system of age verification is already in place. Have you been asked to provide ID yet? No? Then you’re fine.
Again, you should read the article.
YouTube uses a pretty wide variety of signals from across your Google account, including the age of your account, the types of searches you’re making, the types of videos you’re watching, and which apps you’ve downloaded, to make this estimation.
Account age is one factor that will be considered. Who’s to say their AI won’t screw up weights for the other factors and decide that someone is a child because they primarily let their kids use their account (bad practice, but not unheard of from stressed parents)? What happens when you aren’t a youtuber with an audience that can get the attention of actual human beings?
Google has already made AI-related errors with moderating youtube. I will trust what they say after it’s been proven.
Well, duh. I don’t spend much time on youtube, what is there worth watching? Not much.
So can I do without looking up some nostalgic crap from the past? Yeah I could live without it.
I am finding out now, as youtube keeps demanding that I sign in. Fuck off, aint nothing worth that.
This is a strange opinion, YouTube has an insane amount of content for just about everyone. There’s so many fantastic creators and it has just about the best edutainment content anywhere. Terribly managed and the platform itself sucks, but there’s an incredible amount of amazing content on there for free.
there are alot of good ones, but theres alot fo bad ones that overshadow the others. PROPAGANDA, AI, and other forms of slop.
That’s true of everything on the internet these days though. I don’t think they overshadow the good, I think it’s more important than ever to seek out and appreciate the good.
the original good content, science, stems, PETS and then Movies and show clips. not certain kinds of Influencers content like beast, sniperwolf, pewpewdie
I am not sure I need “content” in my life. I can waste time in a lots of ways. I always found myself thinking what am I getting out of this really?
Also, there is just so much on it, where would one even begin? I miss youtube when it started out, now that people make things for money, the idea is to just stretch things out and waste time. Like and Subscribe!
I made it a point to never subscribe to anything unless it was anonymous through a third party tool.
So, what do you think is actually “fantastic” on youtube?
Hey I don’t think anyone really needs content - it’s just something we like. As for what I like on there: Joe Scott, Andrew Huang, Ahoy, Philosophy Tube, Drew Gooden, Comicstorian, Drawfee, Hagerty, Engineering Explained, Throttle House, Tier Zoo, Foureyes Furniture, FUNKe, HiTop Films, In The Mix, Noodle, Internet Shaquille, LEMMiNO, Michael Reeves, MrMobile, Nakey Jakey, ReDriven, Not Just Bikes, Sarah-n-Tuned and I’m kinda tired of more names. But each of these is one of my great top tiers, and it’s so awesome that there’s this many (and more) people on there making great content. It’s okay to not want to engage in that though, I do get that.
Wow, I gotta say I asked and you delivered some ideas! Thanks for that I actually will check them out.
Its like youtube is so vast it is daunting to discover.
I wonder if, for me, the fact that you tube never transitioned from computer to TV. If I am on my computer I am already doing something, so I am less likely to watch anything. It just never occurs to me, and when I am at a TV are already have a million things vying for my attention that it never occurs to me to go to youtube.
I go for the science communicators. Not only are the good ones super educational and entertaining, but you also don’t even need to watch to gain from it. Just listen. I weld 45+ hours a week. Being able to throw on a 3 hour video on whatever I’m interested in that day is great :) but to each their own of course ^^. For my part I’ll enjoy it until it’s unbearable.
i got for those to, other SOME syndicated/professional science videos, or independant channels usually the people are young british people that are working to becoming a researcher in thier field(paleontology, biology,etc). occasionally you get some cringe comments from right wingers(its either wokeness, or something political)
I hear you about listening to stuff. I have a collection of podcasts to listen to and thinking about all the things I have learned over the years, its amazing.
There is so much to choose from.
Just curious why is this entire thing even in the Android community? This is a privacy topic or a YouTube topic etc. There’s nothing about it that ties it to Android. Can we keep stuff like this out? It’s just one more topic that devolves into politics, scare speculation etc. Just read the comment threads if you need to see.
Exactly. People needs to know Android is not Google
Hard to escape Google unless you are willing to use a custom rom which is getting harder and harder to do with devices with unlockable bootloaders becoming rarer. Google also has a pretty big influence on the direction of Android.
Even GrapheneOS that is talked of often requires purchase of a Google phone.
I myself have degoogled android device without bootloader locked. I have multiple devices with stock and custom ROM. With adb or other GUI tools you can go 95% degoogled without causing any breakage
But, it not being 100% does show how Google is not Android is hard to make a reality for locked bootloaders and the influence it also can have on unlocked phones.
A phone having an unlockable bootloader doesn’t guarantee being able to flash a custom rom from one of the more trusted groups.
Sometimes it means having to rely on the work of one unknown person trying to port it over for the device, and not knowing if they snuck anything malicious.
Its just a really poor situation compared to desktop OS options that makes it hard to degoogle and also be secure. Since being more private from data collection and being secure can be different things. Right GrapheneOS is one of the few options that tries to offer both privacy without comprising on security.
Situation on mobile devices is worse than people think. These vendors are locking devices more everyday. We seriously need more than 2 mobile OS. Linux phone’s future is still unclear
Indeed mobile is so terrible. Hardware options terrible and at the mercy of OEMs and hacked together fan projects still reliant on Google contributions to Android, and available only on limited OEM phones. Which if an OEM decides to lock things down not like we can make our own phones like desktops.
We need linux phones but that is unlikely. I wish Valve running ARM for steam frame leads to them maybe in the future deciding to put on a Steam phone that runs Linux. But that’s a long shot and probably territory they dont want to enter dealing with mobile carriers.
when over half of the bug fixes and security patches come from Google, it’s a Google product.
and I’m saying that as an android user from /e/OS
Thats a google product but google apps and android are two diffrent product or atleast should be
Should be but at this point basically aren’t.
You can’t run AOSP on most phones and if you could you would get the user experience most people expect from a phone.
Guess I need to get off of GMail more urgently.
I have Tuta, it’s good enough. Lots of storage for the price compared with others.
Tuta
So, can’t use that with Thunderbird, I suppose?
Well, at least the open source client would be useful.True, using Thunderbird would be a useful thing to be able to do. I’m always on the lookout for more or less useful alternatives, even to Tuta.
Although the encryption is a useful feature, I don’t really expect that from mail.
And if were doing internal communications with a company with that level of security and privacy requirement, I would be using their on-premises mail server.I have been considering Proton, mostly. My main goal being, not randomly losing access to my mail account due to some AI bs.
Though I am not sure if they might end up requiring stuff like “Video ID”.And if it comes to paying for a service, I will also start comparing it to the cost of a domain name and a static IPv6 address, because I already have plans to run a server.
Fair. I’d love to hear why someone down-voted you. I don’t respect these down’n’dashers. 🫤
Maybe someone who has been de-federated from my instance, considering I don’t see a downvote.
Hmm, I changed the settings in my Lemmy client to see split votes (down and up votes), and there’s no down votes, but also no up votes, as if you perhaps removed your own up vote from your posts. 😅
Someone down voted my comment though for some reason. Gosh. I don’t mind the votes, I just want to have a discussion… That’s why we’re here, isn’t it. At least why I’m here.
That’s what I said about my IP. Now I can’t watch YouTube. I mostly just use PeerTube
What do you even do there? I can almost never find anything to watch on PeerTube.
Gravitytube is starting to mirror a good handful of youtubers
For me there are actually some people making videos I like. For example thelinuxexperiment, Veronica explain, privacy guides yeah not much though
I don’t understand what you do on YouTube.
I don’t enjoy it. I’ve never enjoyed it. I truly don’t understand how people can spend time watching it
You dont understand how people dont like infinite video content? I guess you also dont understand why people enjoy libraries too.
Oh, me? I do more posting than viewing, honestly. If we all do the same, it solves this concern
If you mostly care about tech and especially Linux and Open Source there is some good content there. Other than that, good content is unfortunately few and far between.
Also good for homesteading/permaculture and anarchism it’s not all tech
Friendly reminder that Tampermonkey has a script for this:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/521089-youtube-age-restriction-bypass-stealth-version
Cool, if GrayJay could integrate similar functionality that’d be great.
There’s PipePipe.
There’s really 4 spaces in the internet:
- the public corporate web (YouTube, Facebook, twitter, Reddit, etc)
- the private corporate web (requires login to view any content, Software as a Service, Cloud Apps, etc)
- the public web (Wikimedia, Wikia, Archive.org)
- the indie web / small web
And currently the main issue is that the corporate web is intentionally trying to strangle the other spaces on the web.
But there are some movements against it, https://indieweb.org/ and https://neocities.com/ and https://smallweb.cc/
What about the darknet?
That’s just private web with extra steps, really
And those extra steps make it wayyyy more private and secure.
But not any different in the context I’m talking about
At that point, you’re almost talking about a private web.
Accessable public information seems to me to be a different beast.
That s beyond our borders. You must never go there,
Simbaquick_snail
I’m slowly making peace with the thought of losing the internet as it is. Maybe it’ll become something broken you wade into from time to time, some sort of blinking, blabbering wasteland to scavenge valid, valuable information from and return to your oasis. Some people will stay trapped in there forever, but it’s useless to try to communicate with them.
We can still pass flash drives around, at least until ID requirements come to file systems, ports, and peripherals.
So real
Honestly I think ID verification on the Internet isn’t a bad thing. I know a professional (highly paid) propagandist in real life which made me fear trolling and masquerading as someone else is way more prevalent than assumed. I’d love to see a forum where I didn’t have to second guess whether users are bots/trolls.
Obviously it shouldn’t be for-profit unethical corporations that handle this, but well-run governments.
Zero Knowledge ID, multiple possible verifies, only binary questions answered.
Are you over 18 = True/False
No other personal information escapes.
Could you elaborate on “multiple possible verifies” please? Unsure what you mean by that.
Zk certificates can be issued by multiple entities all attesting the validity the same piece of information. Governments, companies and your mate Dave could all add weight to a zk proof.
The zk part just hides the input data. A zk proof guarantees validity, not truth.
Gotta support alternatives such as Peertube, Nebula… so there are nice places to find videos as YouTube becomes worse and worse.
It’s almost impossible for any of those to suceed beyond being niche because its not viable to run against the economics of scale and the practicality of the corporate solutions provided by the Big Techs companies in capitalist countries.
Believe me, I’ve tried to talk to real people about the dangers of sending data to a single company like Google (Alphabet) or Facebook (Meta) and depending on that for media comsumption, how it can and how it’s really used to manipulate public opinion on countries… The fact is that for non-tech and non-privacy minded people (which I’d sure Must be 99.9% of the population) they really don’t seem to care, they just wanna a “free” service that they turn on the TV and there are the videos of their “influencers” or YouTube channels to watch, on YouTube I really hate how it shoves ads like there’s no tomorrow nowadays every 5 minutes, but I also understand there’s a cost to run their business, I, myself, if were to pay for similar service provided without ads I’d pretty sure the YouTube Premium offering would still being a bargain since Google’s infractucture and running costs are really optimized.
So yeah, I really don’t believe any capitalist country can compete with the Big Techs companies, they are probably deeply rooted into common user behavior in all capitalist country, in the capitalist “democracies” it’s impossible to lobby against them in privacy concerns since they can easily sway public opinion in their favor with invisible chances to their content delivery, so anyone trying would have to have a lot of resources to do so (a popular movement without money funding in a capitalist society is basically doomed, theres a very pow chance to suceed imo) and any national alternative, or any actual alternative to their services is almost impossible to suceed since they already have their economy of scale set up with minimal costs and they can also run years on and on with a loss untill any competition does due to being unable to compete with their lower artificial prices.
I don’t know how or why you see ads on YouTube. I have been using firefox and before that whatever else, for a very long time. I have not seen an ad of any kind on YouTube in many MANY years. And since sponsor block came out I’ve only seen a few that managed to slip through. I just fast forward. But why would anyone suffer YouTube with ads? You’re volunteering for it at this point because it’s insanely easy to block them.
This just proves you are not the average user of YouTube…
The average user of YouTube user either their TV app or their official mobile app, not the website.
Me too, I also use adblockers when accessing it via the website in my computer, however when I’m watching things on living room I have to use the official apps.
So yeah, most users suffer with their ads because it’s easier to use the official apps.
YouTube app already comes installed in most Smart TVs, already comes installed in almost all Android phones (which is majority of the marketshare worldwide)…
