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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
TIL some rats have started a literal monastery to try to defeat the robot god with good ole religion (well, Zen buddhism)
hereās a mildly critical view that apparently still believes the approach has legs
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ENCNHyNEgvz9oo9rr/briefly-on-maple-and-the-broader-community
I note in passing that there seems to be a mild upsurge in religious-friendly posts on LW lately.
Announcing my sneerclub follow up to MAPLE: āMan, All These Losers Are Bonkersā aka MATLAB
Sneer Club Irreverently Pisstaking Yuddites
Deep cut, I love it!
That opening has a strong āomg what the fuck happened there, and why are you still friends with these people if it is that badā vibes.
Lot of people told me they were mad, but I got the vibe it was complicated. lol whatā¦
Wrong, it is beer.
I agree with him there. But hard to make arguments against something which doesnāt exist. ;)
Love how we went from āyou need to learn rationality, and be aware of your biassesā to you need to have virtue. And ignore the screaming in the backgrounds, that is just the academics who studied ethics doing their normal thing again.
Anyway the rest gets pretty dark pretty quickly, and I just see red flags (for people who believe in data this devolves very quickly in just going āpeople are prob better off due to this, the new trauma doesnāt count because of preexisting conditions, consent and trauma always happeningā). And this was the article they wrote not wanting to harm the project.
Wait one more remark:
Hahahaha, perfect.
It also reminds me of the interview with Metz where they got mad Metz used religious terms. (you know, last week).
Yeah, this is the Valley after all. Some have used Buddhism as a building block for constructing āmetarationalityā.
I have a degree of appreciation for Chapman because he was willing to more-or-less call out Yuddite rationalism as a failure and start to gently guide people away from it. But I also came to the conclusion that his whole project has never fully escaped the self-aggrandizement/self-importance inherent to the rats. That ultimately leads to the performative humility and āradical acceptanceā that make so many attempts at appropriating non-Western religions to US culture ring completely hollow.
Broadly, the whole TPOT/post-rationality/meta-rationality thing still stinks like a bunch of people who thought advanced degrees and/or advanced technical skills would earn them a lot more compensation and social status than they actually ended up with, and are still dead-set on getting all that by hook or by crook.
and never reading the Sequences and having fun at VibeCamp with their fellow smol bean uwu race scientists, very important
I hadnāt heard of MAPLE before, is it tied to lesswrong? From the focus on AI itās at least adjacent to itā¦ so Iāll add that to the list of cults lesswrong is responsible for. So all in all, weāve got the Zizians, Leverage Research, and now Maple for proper cults, and stuff like Dragon Army and Michael Vassarās groupies for āhigh demandā groups. It really is a cult incubator.
this cult franchise was tangential to the Ziz cult, wasnāt it?