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I know this isn’t the point but, exactly what papers are they expecting to see? Passport? Birth certificate?
The telepathic paper from dr. Who
White privilege card.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents have been pulling guns on off-duty officers of color while illegally demanding their citizenship papers.
And when they identify as a cop, ICE doesn’t verify and just walks away…
“And after the officer became so concerned, they were forced to identify themselves as a Brooklyn Park police officer in hopes of slowing the incident and de-escalating the incident down.”
“The agents then immediately left after hearing this, making no other comments, no other apologies, just got in their vehicles and left.”
Bruley said the anecdote was not an isolated incident.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents have been pulling guns on off-duty officers of color while illegally demanding their citizenship papers.
Or: Off duty cops see dangerous fascists doing illegal stuff and do nothing.
Is everyone a cop on this blessed day? (Or some similar, not legally protected title, think security officer is enough?
You and I wouldn’t be able to use jargon or talk procedures. It would be immediately obvious we were faking. Come up on me and tell me you’re in IT, see how that goes. :)
These ice goons aren’t cops though. They’re just a bunch of mall Ninjas. You could probably just start giving them Startrek technobable and they wouldn’t know the difference.
I’m at least IT adjacent and have somewhat of a homelab, I feel I could pass for a few minutes longer than an average person.
Cop jargon? I Fail.
Just use the N word a lot.
A recurring problem with joining extremist organizations is that eventually it will outpace your personal extremist views and behaviors … and then you will be a victim of it.
“First they came for the …” is about people that were Nazis but not Nazi enough … and in a Nazi-like society no one except Trump/Hitler will ever be enough Nazi to not be possibly culled until the leaders cull themselves.
And remember that when they cull the bottom group that creates a new bottom group. and eventually that new bottom group is gonna include you.
and they not gonna stop culling because of you
ACAB
ICE is the modern Brownshirts. Once they became too powerful, they were slaughtered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
OTOH, we don’t have anything like the SS to replace them with. Yet.
Who shot first, the ICE officer or the police officer?
Philosophical chicken and egg type question.
spiderman pointing at spiderman.tiff ?
I used to say “support all ICE victims” but now I guess I have to make an exception.
I’m not usually one to indulge in schadenfreude, but yeah when ICE comes for the cops I guess I’ll just grab my popcorn.
Fash-on-Fash violence. I don’t not love to see it.
“I’ve got a better idea. Instead of helping you, why don’t we sit back and watch you get your ass kicked. That way, you’ll be dead, and we’ll be glad.” - O’Neil
The enemy of my enemy can be used strategically against my enemy until one of them is eliminated. Then I only have one enemy to deal with instead of 2.
I doubt they’ll fully turn on each other. we can hope though
This is where if police departments wanted to gain credibility, they’d be arresting the ICE agents for assault with a deadly weapon.
Qualified immunity has a “reasonableness” portion to it. It’s a pretty strong argument that ICE isn’t being reasonable if a cop arrests them for assaulting a cop.
Qualified immunity protects government actors from civil penalties as a result of their actions while on duty and when not violating the constitutional/civil rights of citizens (that’s the “qualified” part). It does not and protect government actors from criminal prosecution and does not grant them license to violate existing laws, and it never has.
This is also true for ICE, which is why Vance and Stephen Miller are suddenly so keen to start screeching that they think ICE now magically has “absolute” immunity, which there is also no legal basis for whatsoever. Those pulling the strings know that ICE is in fact routinely breaking the law, and they’re desperately trying to get out ahead of it while anyone believes that any shred of equal protection under the law still exists.
If cops have qualified immunity that is very often used to say cops can easily get away with murder, and agents have Vance blanket twitter pardons, can they just all kill each other with no legal consequences?
That’s just called war.
How very civil.
The police got policed
That’s what the FBI is for… But this is insane
FIRST you Didn’t want ICE going after Innocent Mothers and Children and NOW you’re Upset that ICE is going After CRIMINALS? Libtards will NEVER be Satisfied!
Yesss please let this be the beginning of the local MPD versus the ICE thugs. Let them destroy each other.
So what we need to happen then is for one or more of these cops to shoot their assailants in self defense.
At a press conference on Tuesday, Bruley said he opposed abolishing ICE but disagreed with how federal officers were carrying out immigration enforcement.
ACAB
To cherry pick everything out of the article and ‘ACAB’ that is pretty silly. That’s a very reasonable comment because literally zero border protections would be a disaster. I mean sure disband ICE, but you’ll need someone at the airports and checking containers etc.
This is how the Conservative Propaganda Machine finds.people with poor Critical Thinking Skills and separates them from the herd, and starts working on them. I’m this case, they are prepared to accept whatever ICE does to us, because they’ve been told it will be far worse if ICE goes away.
Was there NOTHING at the border before ICE? Was nobody being stopped at the border before?
Of course not, Border Patrol has been a thing forever, long before ICE was around. If ICE goes away, then we simply rely on the Border patrol, like we’ve always done.
You could argue that they could do a better job, but sending armed invaders to attack our cities is not the better job they should be doing.
ICE is not the same thing as CBP (customs and border protection). Getting rid of ICE would not leave your border ‘unprotected’. This kind of ignorant shit is exactly why you Americans are in this fucking situation.
We still need people doing ICE’s former job. Bet there’s not a country on the planet that has zero internal immigration enforcement mechanisms.
I mean Canada at least doesn’t have a special armed paramilitary force that goes around seeking people to deport. If someone is in the country illegally and acting improperly someone will notice and inform the police but as far as I’m aware there’s nobody raiding culturally diverse restaurants seeking to ruin someone’s life.
That seems like a law enforcement issue, and boy howdy do we have people for that already!
Like if you’re arrested and you are in the country illegally, you could be deported after you’ve been processed and/or served a sentence. That’s already been a thing for a long time. And we could argue in good faith about what the most fair and just policies are surrounding that.
(aside: populations in the developed world are not growing like they used to, and are shrinking in many places. The US is driving away our most respected minds and our most disrespected laborers RIGHT when other nations are going to start treating them even better than before. So even aside from the “be kind to humans” angle it’s pretty strategically stupid.)
But what the United States is supposed to be about, as in the Constitution and amendments, is that decent people just get to do their thing to just live life and pursue happiness. You don’t get searched or evaluated or judged unless you break the laws we collectively built. Therefore, nobody would going door to door checking people’s papers.
The tools that law enforcement would need in order to simply deport all people here illegally are the kinds of things our laws were designed to prevent from ever existing!
I think I would agree with the “liberty” side of that one. It seems much less bad for my family that some folks in town working tough jobs are “ILLeGaL” versus living in a surveillance-state, police-state, fascist dictatorship.
I’m not fucking American, my apologies for not knowing the intricacies of American law enforcement/federal agencies. Just remember, assuming makes an ass out of you and me. But really, it’s like you 99%.
Edited out an explitive that was undeserved.
I disagree, Open borders is the future.
Fair, may be, but in the current climate, I’m not keen on it.
“Now that it happened to us too, it’s a serious problem. This needs to change.” Fucking jagoff pieces of shit couldn’t have cared less when it was the same people that they bully being oppressed by ICE. The shoe’s on the other foot, and now it’s a crisis.
So what’s going to win with the other police officers in the country? “Back the blue” and support their fellow cop, or racism and back ICE?
Well, whats bluer than blue, when it solidifies and expands, hardens and sharpens?
Oh.
Well, that would be ice, white as can be.
Racism and back ICE. They think blue city cops are DEI hires
This is true and extremely funny.
Fuck you, I’m a cop!
Fuck you, you’re a
racist slur removed!That pretty much is how that goes.
Aw, piggy brain trying to comprehend being on the receiving end of illegitimate state backed violence!
Its kind of adorable, in a way.
Its like doing a magic trick for a dog.
sigh
I’ll be amazed if they do anything useful, but I guess its technically a possibility…
Keeps getting better.
Editor should not have used scare quotes in the title. Of color is a current preferred formalism. Calling it out just makes you look out of touch.
Sometimes quotes are just quotes.
Yeah “sometimes” all a headline needs are some “quotes”
