So what happens if a patient lies about their concern and a 15 minute checkup is all of a sudden a 45 minute spiel. You can’t just leave a patient you’re treating, they try to allow for some leeway, but they’re a business too after all, can’t be sitting around either.
Without meaning to go completely off the rails, maybe this is part of the problem? I mean we can’t sink our entire GDP into toenail fungus, but there ought to be some middle ground somewhere.
I don’t think “they’re a business” properly captures the concern. It’s probably more accurate to say that they have a desire to operate efficiently and not waste resources, but it has to be balanced against the need to treat patients effectively and fairly.
Even in public health care, family doctors who don’t work in government hospitals or clinics, operate their own “store front” have their own bills and employees and can only bill the government certain amounts for certain visits. So if they can’t bill the government for sitting around, it’s cash out of their pocket for their expenses.
Right and that is getting off the rails. I know providing healthcare isn’t free so consuming it isn’t free either. But when a public need becomes a profit-seeking venture, I start getting skeptical that this is the best way to ensure efficient use of resources.
can only bill government certain amount for certain visits.
How are they making a profit seeking business when they can only bill insurance, WCB, or the the public health care system a certain amount for each visit. There is some uninsured things, but they don’t charge unreasonable amounts, people would go elsewhere. It keeps everyone honest in that regard. And they only charge since they can’t bill anyone else and it costs them time and money.
Have you ever… like… had a conversation before?
I can’t read your fucking mind. I explained my point of view and you explained yours and corrected how I’d read something different than you intended. edit: The doctors I see are all part of a larger, profit-seeking business. I have not seen these non-profit doctors outside of Doctors Without Borders and such.
What part of that means you need to be a prick about things? If you suggest medicine should be non-profit then we are in agreement and there is no need to be an asshole. That’s not at all how I read your first message, so excuse the fuck out of me for trying to have a conversation on a fucking message board.
You can’t read my mind, yet you picked a definition that doesn’t exist? And tried using it as your argument? That’s not how people have conversations dude.
I’m sorry you are using your US based logic for a global conversation, not every place it out there to rip you off. I had already explained how they can only bill X amount, so how can you profit from that? Please explain YOUR perspective on this one, please.
So what happens if a patient lies about their concern and a 15 minute checkup is all of a sudden a 45 minute spiel. You can’t just leave a patient you’re treating, they try to allow for some leeway, but they’re a business too after all, can’t be sitting around either.
Without meaning to go completely off the rails, maybe this is part of the problem? I mean we can’t sink our entire GDP into toenail fungus, but there ought to be some middle ground somewhere.
I don’t think “they’re a business” properly captures the concern. It’s probably more accurate to say that they have a desire to operate efficiently and not waste resources, but it has to be balanced against the need to treat patients effectively and fairly.
So long as demand exceeds capacity, we will wait.
Even in public health care, family doctors who don’t work in government hospitals or clinics, operate their own “store front” have their own bills and employees and can only bill the government certain amounts for certain visits. So if they can’t bill the government for sitting around, it’s cash out of their pocket for their expenses.
Right and that is getting off the rails. I know providing healthcare isn’t free so consuming it isn’t free either. But when a public need becomes a profit-seeking venture, I start getting skeptical that this is the best way to ensure efficient use of resources.
How are they making a profit seeking business when they can only bill insurance, WCB, or the the public health care system a certain amount for each visit. There is some uninsured things, but they don’t charge unreasonable amounts, people would go elsewhere. It keeps everyone honest in that regard. And they only charge since they can’t bill anyone else and it costs them time and money.
You called it a business. Which I read as “profit-seeking endeavor”. Perhaps you intended it differently.
Not for profits are also businesses… your assumptions are your bias… and ignorance.
Edit Actually, which definition are you even using here…?
No definition has “profit” in it that I can see
My intention is the definition of the word, what is YOUR intention here dude?
Have you ever… like… had a conversation before? I can’t read your fucking mind. I explained my point of view and you explained yours and corrected how I’d read something different than you intended. edit: The doctors I see are all part of a larger, profit-seeking business. I have not seen these non-profit doctors outside of Doctors Without Borders and such.
What part of that means you need to be a prick about things? If you suggest medicine should be non-profit then we are in agreement and there is no need to be an asshole. That’s not at all how I read your first message, so excuse the fuck out of me for trying to have a conversation on a fucking message board.
You can’t read my mind, yet you picked a definition that doesn’t exist? And tried using it as your argument? That’s not how people have conversations dude.
I’m sorry you are using your US based logic for a global conversation, not every place it out there to rip you off. I had already explained how they can only bill X amount, so how can you profit from that? Please explain YOUR perspective on this one, please.