I’m not American, but I’m really surprised that some Americans don’t know anything about Spanish. I mean, there are a lot of places in the U.S. with Spanish names, and it’s easy to encounter Hispanic/Mexican culture if you live in places like L.A.
The US is massive and not nearly as well-mixed as people believe. If you don’t happen to live in a spanish-heavy area, it’s like a Russian that doesn’t know Spanish - obviously some do, but I’m not at all surprised by those who don’t.
Imagine, for example, being surprised that Catalonians are unfamiliar with Sami, or Swedes being unfamiliar with Maltese.
Population wise, too. Minnesota is different than California, or even our neighbors (north and South Dakota, Wisconsin and Iowa, Canada to the north,).
Hell. The Twin Cities (Minneapolis and St Paul) are very different and we can lob insults across the river.
Yup. Europe is only slightly larger. And that’s europe, not the EU. Europe on the whole is significantly denser in population, though.
If you want to compare direct numbers, the EU has ~450 million to the Us’s ~350 million and 3.9 million (or cia’s fact book, 4.2) km^2 compared to 9.8 million km^2.
The other countries that are similar are India, china and Russia.
…so the fact that the US is large somehow explains how that sign got through its entire chain of production and deployment without anyone realising that Latino people don’t speak Latin?
I’m not American, but I’m really surprised that some Americans don’t know anything about Spanish.
having a lot of Latinos in one place doesn’t mean there’s a lot elsewhere, or that the people who made the sign are even anywhere close to familiar with any sort of Latino culture… for example, in Minnesota, there’s a large number of Puerto Ricans in St Paul. if you drove forty minutes out west, you’re not going to see that. Same goes with the Somali influence in Cedar Riverside, or the Hmong neighborhoods.
as for the sign… the people who actually made the sign don’t give a flying rat’s ass what’s on it. A client sends them a picture or something, they print it, and send it out. If anyone even actually looked at it. It could have been an entirely automated service like vistaprint or whoever.
its like the bakers that put “just say ‘Happy Birthday’ in rainbow icing letters” on the cake. they’re not paid enough to care what they’re actually printing.
Which means the only people who probably who really needed to fail to understand the distinction is… the people that ordered it. And when you’re talking about somebody who probably hung that up on their fence… there’s not a “chain” of people involved.
as for the sign… the people who actually made the sign don’t give a flying rat’s ass what’s on it.
Pre-press is part of my job. I care about the quality of the art and whether or not the text prints correctly. I send a proof to the client after I’ve checked those thing, and they verify that the text, etc. is correct, that we have the correct size, material, and so on. If someone sends me artwork that’s going to end up printing at 26dpi, then I’m going to let them know that it’s going to look bad. If they send raster text that they’ve blown up 5x and is all bitmappy, I’m gonna let them know that they need to fix that.
If the text is in Latin rather than Spanish? Not my concern.
In my own experience inside political parties (granted, small ones in Europe rather than a big US one) is that actual merit is almost never how people are selected for most responsabilities, especially at a local level.
You’re not going to get the same quality of work out of people who basically volunteered to do something or got picked because they’re mates of the guy or gal running the local party office, and are doing it for free, than you would get when the necessary skills are determined, an advert for a PAID position is posted with those skills and from the candidates responding to it one is selected via a half-way decent interview process.
Judging by the looks of that poster that’s very much an amateur job done by a local voluntary, not something created at national level where it’s more likely (at least for big parties, not so much for smaller ones) that people are actually employed and were properly selected to do it (not that there’s not plenty of cronyism at national level in political parties, but that’s not usually for what are seen as “lowly” “auxiliary” positions in a Political Party such as a Graphics Designer position would).
Then, of course, on top of that comes the “small detail” that the average level of formal Education and even breadth of Life Experience is significantly lower in the Far Right, so the average Republic Party amateur is more ignorant at all levels than the average Democrat Party amateur.
Well, there are people with different roots from all over the world. The fewest of us are actually native american, so I think everyone has their culture and embraces that on his own wish. Then we all come together in the middle to create American culture.
I know it’s not the way it works and this sounds like racism doesn’t exist in the US or something which is of course utter bullshit. This is the way I think how it should be done and how I practice it myself. I actually know a bit of Spanish and dipped my toe already in Mexican culture, but I’m not going to study and embrace it because it’s not my particular culture, just as I am not expecting an Hispanic person to study and embrace my culture. In the end I don’t think about culture a lot. I like cool and interesring people, cool and interesting music and of course good food. In total I just want to have a good time and I am happy to encounter parts of anyone’s culture in a natural way were I can explore things more like an adventure and less like a chore
I’m not American, but I’m really surprised that some Americans don’t know anything about Spanish. I mean, there are a lot of places in the U.S. with Spanish names, and it’s easy to encounter Hispanic/Mexican culture if you live in places like L.A.
I live over 5,000 kilometers from LA and have never been anywhere near it. As an American I am closer to actual Spain across the ocean.
The US is massive and not nearly as well-mixed as people believe. If you don’t happen to live in a spanish-heavy area, it’s like a Russian that doesn’t know Spanish - obviously some do, but I’m not at all surprised by those who don’t.
in terms of land-area, the us is closer to Europe than any single European country.
Imagine, for example, being surprised that Catalonians are unfamiliar with Sami, or Swedes being unfamiliar with Maltese.
Population wise, too. Minnesota is different than California, or even our neighbors (north and South Dakota, Wisconsin and Iowa, Canada to the north,).
Hell. The Twin Cities (Minneapolis and St Paul) are very different and we can lob insults across the river.
LA to NYC is roughly the same distance as Lisbon to Moscow
Yup. Europe is only slightly larger. And that’s europe, not the EU. Europe on the whole is significantly denser in population, though.
If you want to compare direct numbers, the EU has ~450 million to the Us’s ~350 million and 3.9 million (or cia’s fact book, 4.2) km^2 compared to 9.8 million km^2.
The other countries that are similar are India, china and Russia.
…so the fact that the US is large somehow explains how that sign got through its entire chain of production and deployment without anyone realising that Latino people don’t speak Latin?
No. it explains this:
having a lot of Latinos in one place doesn’t mean there’s a lot elsewhere, or that the people who made the sign are even anywhere close to familiar with any sort of Latino culture… for example, in Minnesota, there’s a large number of Puerto Ricans in St Paul. if you drove forty minutes out west, you’re not going to see that. Same goes with the Somali influence in Cedar Riverside, or the Hmong neighborhoods.
as for the sign… the people who actually made the sign don’t give a flying rat’s ass what’s on it. A client sends them a picture or something, they print it, and send it out. If anyone even actually looked at it. It could have been an entirely automated service like vistaprint or whoever.
its like the bakers that put “just say ‘Happy Birthday’ in rainbow icing letters” on the cake. they’re not paid enough to care what they’re actually printing.
Which means the only people who probably who really needed to fail to understand the distinction is… the people that ordered it. And when you’re talking about somebody who probably hung that up on their fence… there’s not a “chain” of people involved.
Pre-press is part of my job. I care about the quality of the art and whether or not the text prints correctly. I send a proof to the client after I’ve checked those thing, and they verify that the text, etc. is correct, that we have the correct size, material, and so on. If someone sends me artwork that’s going to end up printing at 26dpi, then I’m going to let them know that it’s going to look bad. If they send raster text that they’ve blown up 5x and is all bitmappy, I’m gonna let them know that they need to fix that.
If the text is in Latin rather than Spanish? Not my concern.
In my own experience inside political parties (granted, small ones in Europe rather than a big US one) is that actual merit is almost never how people are selected for most responsabilities, especially at a local level.
You’re not going to get the same quality of work out of people who basically volunteered to do something or got picked because they’re mates of the guy or gal running the local party office, and are doing it for free, than you would get when the necessary skills are determined, an advert for a PAID position is posted with those skills and from the candidates responding to it one is selected via a half-way decent interview process.
Judging by the looks of that poster that’s very much an amateur job done by a local voluntary, not something created at national level where it’s more likely (at least for big parties, not so much for smaller ones) that people are actually employed and were properly selected to do it (not that there’s not plenty of cronyism at national level in political parties, but that’s not usually for what are seen as “lowly” “auxiliary” positions in a Political Party such as a Graphics Designer position would).
Then, of course, on top of that comes the “small detail” that the average level of formal Education and even breadth of Life Experience is significantly lower in the Far Right, so the average Republic Party amateur is more ignorant at all levels than the average Democrat Party amateur.
Well, there are people with different roots from all over the world. The fewest of us are actually native american, so I think everyone has their culture and embraces that on his own wish. Then we all come together in the middle to create American culture.
I know it’s not the way it works and this sounds like racism doesn’t exist in the US or something which is of course utter bullshit. This is the way I think how it should be done and how I practice it myself. I actually know a bit of Spanish and dipped my toe already in Mexican culture, but I’m not going to study and embrace it because it’s not my particular culture, just as I am not expecting an Hispanic person to study and embrace my culture. In the end I don’t think about culture a lot. I like cool and interesring people, cool and interesting music and of course good food. In total I just want to have a good time and I am happy to encounter parts of anyone’s culture in a natural way were I can explore things more like an adventure and less like a chore