I do believe revolution is necessary for Humanity to move forward,
Everybody believes in revolution, their revolution, and if you follow them they promise you’ll get everything you ever wanted:
The American revolution is one of the few that actually worked out, and it just transfered power from England to the new ruling elite landowners in America.
What works is everyone organizing and showing unity, revolution just shuffles the deck so the new leaders can declare victory while learning to walk on their hind legs.
You have no points, only a lack of historical knowledge. The revolutions in China, Cuba, and Russia brought huge increases in life expectancy, literacy rates, access to healthcare and education, housing rates, and more. Read Blackshirts and Reds.
I didn’t say it was the majority. The Communists turned China from a largely agrarian country, one of the poorest in the world, into a superpower over the last 75 years, which came with drastic reductions in poverty and increases in life expectancy. This wasn’t just “copying western medicine,” but rapid industrialization and central planning.
Mao is often described as “70% good” by Communists, he helped install Socialism and wrote good theory, but he was a left-deviationist that largely failed to properly analyze China’s Material Conditions.
Where did that industrialization originate…? You guys want all the benefits and innovations of western capitalism but will assume no responsibility for the failures incurred by the processes that overlapped with said rapid industrialization. Yes, it was a great feat that so much of an agrarian population was lifted by mechanization but at what cost? You’ll never address that part of the equation.
Either way, the industrialization originated with the CPC taking power and establishing Central Planning. Later, Deng invited foreign investment while maintaining central planning and state supremacy over Capital. Read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism, it’s a short 20 minute essay.
Well, I guess its all hunky dory then. Good on central planning! I’m familiar with the essay and the thesis. I just find this penchant for cherrypicking the parts of history we like not very productive for analysis. Thanks anyway.
The revolutions in China, Cuba, and Russia brought huge increases in life expectancy, literacy rates, access to healthcare and education, housing rates, and more.
The revolution in China brought a catastrophic wave of death.
Meanwhile the same people across the channel had incredible prosperity without the 50m dead from the GLP and CR, while inventing incredible technologies the mainlanders can’t even understand, much less copy like everything else.
China is absolutely crippled by the genocidal failed regime that is the CCP. They’re only prospering now because Deng is a proper capitalist, and that’s where the life expectancy comes from:
Mao was the only proper communist, and he just got everybody killed because he was a complete idiot. I’m sorry your ideology is so transparently broken.
And the Soviet union did well at first because Lenin relaxed communism in favor of partial capitalism, which Stalin reversed and killed millions in his purges, leading to the Holodomor and other catastrophic failures, which brezvhnev repeated and lead to the failure of the ussr.
Nothing but failures all the way down.
But thank you, for actually identifying with both China and the ussr, you make it much easier to prove you obviously wrong compared to the whiny little shits who dream of an ideal communism that never actually happens.
Meanwhile the same people across the channel had incredible prosperity without the 50m dead from the GLP and CR, while inventing incredible technologies the mainlanders can’t even understand, much less copy like everything else.
Racism, much? Also not true at all, the mainland has incredibly advanced production because the majority of the world produces there.
China is absolutely crippled by the genocidal failed regime that is the CCP. They’re only prospering now because Deng is a proper capitalist, and that’s where the life expectancy comes from:
The PRC is has never had a recession since the Dengist reforms, which were a reversion to Marxism from the Ultraleftist Maoism. Read the article Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. Deng was a Marxist-Leninist, and introduced a Socialist Market Economy because Mao had tried to achieve Communism through fiat, before the productive forces were ready for it. The majority of the PRC’s economy is publicly owned and operated, and this proportion is increasing over time.
Mao was the only proper communist, and he just got everybody killed because he was a complete idiot. I’m sorry your ideology is so transparently broken.
Mao was an Ultraleftist, he helped bring about Socialism but miscalculated. He made numerous mistakes and errors in judgement. Deng reverted the PRC to a Marxist path.
And the Soviet union did well at first because Lenin relaxed communism in favor of partial capitalism, which Stalin reversed and killed millions in his purges, leading to the Holodomor and other catastrophic failures, which brezvhnev repeated and lead to the failure of the ussr.
Lenin used the NEP the same way the PRC is now using their Socialist Market Economy. Lenin didn’t “relax” Communism, the Productive Forces weren’t ready for socialization. Funny thing about Stalin is that Life Expectancy also doubled under him.
Nothing but failures all the way down.
Dramatic improvements in Life Expectancy, home ownership, access to healthcare, education, drastic jumps in literacy rates, ending famine, dramatically developing industry, and more are “nothing but failures all the way down?” You have no idea what you’re talking about.
But thank you, for actually identifying with both China and the ussr, you make it much easier to prove you obviously wrong compared to the whiny little shits who dream of an ideal communism that never actually happens.
You have no clue what you’re talking about, which makes it much easier to prove you obviously wrong.
Racism, much? Also not true at all, the mainland has incredibly advanced production because the majority of the world produces there.
That’s not racism, they’re literally the same race according to everyone including the fucking CCP!!! I know you don’t have to worry about facts, but don’t be so pathetically transparent.
Also I doubt you’ve been to China lately, saying they’re on the path to Marxism is hilarious, let me guess, the new York stock exchange is the hub of western socialism too?
They’ve copied us in everything but name, it’s a properly capitalist economy, which is why they’re doing so well. They even had their own real-estate financing bubble, we’re so proud.
All the Healthcare and other improvements are from the west, are you honestly trying to tell me they invented any major medical breakthroughs? Because if they had, we would have copied them, which we haven’t. Not a lot of western drugs licensed off China, they stick to copying the low-end.
And SMC is still a decade behind tsmc, no matter how much they cry, they don’t have euv in volume or anything on the level of euv, and they were one of the biggest consumers of Nvidia (fabbed in Taiwan with a Taiwanese founder and ceo) until they got cut off.
This is exactly the same mindless propaganda the Soviet union tried to spread, you need to get better.
That’s not racism, they’re literally the same race according to everyone including the fucking CCP!!! I know you don’t have to worry about facts, but don’t be so pathetically transparent.
This is exactly racism, there are numerous ethnic groups in China and Taipei.
Also I doubt you’ve been to China lately, saying they’re on the path to Marxism is hilarious, let me guess, the new York stock exchange is the hub of western socialism too?
No, the New York Stock Exchange exists in the context of an 80%+ privatized system where the bourgeoisie control the state.
They’ve copied us in everything but name, it’s a properly capitalist economy, which is why they’re doing so well. They even had their own real-estate financing bubble, we’re so proud.
I am once again asking you to explain why an economy that is over 50% publicly owned and managed, around 10% cooperatively managed, and the remaing private sector has CPC control, is Capitalist. Read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. You haven’t read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, or Deng, that much is obvious, but surely you can read a 20 minute article, right?
All the Healthcare and other improvements are from the west, are you honestly trying to tell me they invented any major medical breakthroughs? Because if they had, we would have copied them, which we haven’t. Not a lot of western drugs licensed off China, they stick to copying the low-end.
Yes, they have invented tons of medical breakthroughs. The West is interested in profit above all else. This is western chauvanism.
And SMC is still a decade behind tsmc, no matter how much they cry, they don’t have euv in volume or anything on the level of euv, and they were one of the biggest consumers of Nvidia (fabbed in Taiwan with a Taiwanese founder and ceo) until they got cut off.
And yet SMC is gaining on TSMC.
This is exactly the same mindless propaganda the Soviet union tried to spread, you need to get better.
You have never read Marx or any Marxist, why are you pretending you’re an authority on Socialism? It’s ridiculous cosplay.
Last month, Ko said that the goal of the forum is to jointly build the “Chinese dream,” as “the two sides of the Taiwan Strait belong to one family” and “people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait are Chinese of the same race and speak the same language,” a Central News Agency report said.
They are the same race, and I am tired of your pathetic at a racist view in what is clearly a political issue, that’s bigotry, plain and simple!
I am once again asking you to explain why an economy that is over 50% publicly owned and managed, around 10% cooperatively managed, and the remaing private sector has CPC control, is Capitalist. Read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism.
Private firms contribute approximately 60% of China’s GDP, 70% of its innovative capacity, 80% of urban employment and 90% of new jobs.
I read das capital it had value as a lens to interpret historical narratives.
It’s also 150 years old, and every attempt to follow it’s principles has ended in complete disaster, often starvation or other forms of genocide, because while it models the collective selfishness of the rich, it WHOLLY fails to model the individual, as his focus on the collective (which was quite popular in the 1800s, as a vague attempt to “Darwinize” and model sociology in terms of group motives) collapses instantly when confronted with modern systems analysis and game theory which shows exactly how people actually behave in groups, selfishly and often without thought of others.
This is why it fails, every time, at the simplest attempt.
You need something that takes into account individualism, which Marx was too early for, if he lived today perhaps he could understand. You’re acting like something we tried to figure out before we even imagined the concept of DNA is relevant to our modern world.
Zizek is actually the closest to someone able to understand Marxism in a modern context, but Marx himself is as obsolete as a telegraph machine.
And yet SMIC is gaining on TSMC.
Yes, the founder is Taiwanese (fled the PLA), they bought Chiang Shangyi and other actual talent (in hindsight, maybe you’re right about race, the Taiwanese do seem racially superior to mainlanders in every way), and bought the same machines from ASML and others.
It’s like me saying I’m gaining on Messi because I got off the couch and bought a ball.
Everybody believes in revolution, their revolution, and if you follow them they promise you’ll get everything you ever wanted:
The American revolution is one of the few that actually worked out, and it just transfered power from England to the new ruling elite landowners in America.
What works is everyone organizing and showing unity, revolution just shuffles the deck so the new leaders can declare victory while learning to walk on their hind legs.
You have no points, only a lack of historical knowledge. The revolutions in China, Cuba, and Russia brought huge increases in life expectancy, literacy rates, access to healthcare and education, housing rates, and more. Read Blackshirts and Reds.
You know who else had massive increases in life expectancy over that period? EVERY FUCKING ONE!!!
If you copied any western medicine and hygiene, your life probably doubled.
Yes, China had a bulk of the world’s population and had the largest impact on said metrics. Do you think it was magic that caused this?
Mask-off racism and western-chauvanism.
It wasn’t the majority of the population, and the curve doesn’t follow china’s exactly because of all of Mao’s idiot killing.
I didn’t say it was the majority. The Communists turned China from a largely agrarian country, one of the poorest in the world, into a superpower over the last 75 years, which came with drastic reductions in poverty and increases in life expectancy. This wasn’t just “copying western medicine,” but rapid industrialization and central planning.
Mao is often described as “70% good” by Communists, he helped install Socialism and wrote good theory, but he was a left-deviationist that largely failed to properly analyze China’s Material Conditions.
Where did that industrialization originate…? You guys want all the benefits and innovations of western capitalism but will assume no responsibility for the failures incurred by the processes that overlapped with said rapid industrialization. Yes, it was a great feat that so much of an agrarian population was lifted by mechanization but at what cost? You’ll never address that part of the equation.
You said the thing! Lmao.
Either way, the industrialization originated with the CPC taking power and establishing Central Planning. Later, Deng invited foreign investment while maintaining central planning and state supremacy over Capital. Read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism, it’s a short 20 minute essay.
Well, I guess its all hunky dory then. Good on central planning! I’m familiar with the essay and the thesis. I just find this penchant for cherrypicking the parts of history we like not very productive for analysis. Thanks anyway.
The revolution in China brought a catastrophic wave of death.
Meanwhile the same people across the channel had incredible prosperity without the 50m dead from the GLP and CR, while inventing incredible technologies the mainlanders can’t even understand, much less copy like everything else.
China is absolutely crippled by the genocidal failed regime that is the CCP. They’re only prospering now because Deng is a proper capitalist, and that’s where the life expectancy comes from:
Mao was the only proper communist, and he just got everybody killed because he was a complete idiot. I’m sorry your ideology is so transparently broken.
And the Soviet union did well at first because Lenin relaxed communism in favor of partial capitalism, which Stalin reversed and killed millions in his purges, leading to the Holodomor and other catastrophic failures, which brezvhnev repeated and lead to the failure of the ussr.
Nothing but failures all the way down.
But thank you, for actually identifying with both China and the ussr, you make it much easier to prove you obviously wrong compared to the whiny little shits who dream of an ideal communism that never actually happens.
Life expectancy doubled under Mao.
Racism, much? Also not true at all, the mainland has incredibly advanced production because the majority of the world produces there.
The PRC is has never had a recession since the Dengist reforms, which were a reversion to Marxism from the Ultraleftist Maoism. Read the article Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. Deng was a Marxist-Leninist, and introduced a Socialist Market Economy because Mao had tried to achieve Communism through fiat, before the productive forces were ready for it. The majority of the PRC’s economy is publicly owned and operated, and this proportion is increasing over time.
Mao was an Ultraleftist, he helped bring about Socialism but miscalculated. He made numerous mistakes and errors in judgement. Deng reverted the PRC to a Marxist path.
Lenin used the NEP the same way the PRC is now using their Socialist Market Economy. Lenin didn’t “relax” Communism, the Productive Forces weren’t ready for socialization. Funny thing about Stalin is that Life Expectancy also doubled under him.
Dramatic improvements in Life Expectancy, home ownership, access to healthcare, education, drastic jumps in literacy rates, ending famine, dramatically developing industry, and more are “nothing but failures all the way down?” You have no idea what you’re talking about.
You have no clue what you’re talking about, which makes it much easier to prove you obviously wrong.
That’s not racism, they’re literally the same race according to everyone including the fucking CCP!!! I know you don’t have to worry about facts, but don’t be so pathetically transparent.
Also I doubt you’ve been to China lately, saying they’re on the path to Marxism is hilarious, let me guess, the new York stock exchange is the hub of western socialism too?
They’ve copied us in everything but name, it’s a properly capitalist economy, which is why they’re doing so well. They even had their own real-estate financing bubble, we’re so proud.
All the Healthcare and other improvements are from the west, are you honestly trying to tell me they invented any major medical breakthroughs? Because if they had, we would have copied them, which we haven’t. Not a lot of western drugs licensed off China, they stick to copying the low-end.
And SMC is still a decade behind tsmc, no matter how much they cry, they don’t have euv in volume or anything on the level of euv, and they were one of the biggest consumers of Nvidia (fabbed in Taiwan with a Taiwanese founder and ceo) until they got cut off.
This is exactly the same mindless propaganda the Soviet union tried to spread, you need to get better.
This is exactly racism, there are numerous ethnic groups in China and Taipei.
No, the New York Stock Exchange exists in the context of an 80%+ privatized system where the bourgeoisie control the state.
I am once again asking you to explain why an economy that is over 50% publicly owned and managed, around 10% cooperatively managed, and the remaing private sector has CPC control, is Capitalist. Read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. You haven’t read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, or Deng, that much is obvious, but surely you can read a 20 minute article, right?
Yes, they have invented tons of medical breakthroughs. The West is interested in profit above all else. This is western chauvanism.
And yet SMC is gaining on TSMC.
You have never read Marx or any Marxist, why are you pretending you’re an authority on Socialism? It’s ridiculous cosplay.
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2022/01/29/2003772257
They are the same race, and I am tired of your pathetic at a racist view in what is clearly a political issue, that’s bigotry, plain and simple!
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policy-topics/international-relations-security/what-future-chinas-private-sector
I read das capital it had value as a lens to interpret historical narratives.
It’s also 150 years old, and every attempt to follow it’s principles has ended in complete disaster, often starvation or other forms of genocide, because while it models the collective selfishness of the rich, it WHOLLY fails to model the individual, as his focus on the collective (which was quite popular in the 1800s, as a vague attempt to “Darwinize” and model sociology in terms of group motives) collapses instantly when confronted with modern systems analysis and game theory which shows exactly how people actually behave in groups, selfishly and often without thought of others.
This is why it fails, every time, at the simplest attempt.
You need something that takes into account individualism, which Marx was too early for, if he lived today perhaps he could understand. You’re acting like something we tried to figure out before we even imagined the concept of DNA is relevant to our modern world.
Zizek is actually the closest to someone able to understand Marxism in a modern context, but Marx himself is as obsolete as a telegraph machine.
Yes, the founder is Taiwanese (fled the PLA), they bought Chiang Shangyi and other actual talent (in hindsight, maybe you’re right about race, the Taiwanese do seem racially superior to mainlanders in every way), and bought the same machines from ASML and others.
It’s like me saying I’m gaining on Messi because I got off the couch and bought a ball.