Yeah, it would be much more accurate to flip the two as centrists and right wing people have ignored Israel’s countless crimes against humanity for 75 years!
So have many pounding it now. It’s not any more genocide than it was for the last 20 to 40 years. It’s definitely kicked up a notch. But always been genocide. Seeing so many on the “left” pop up as single issue voters around it in the last year. Is good but specious. Seeing how many of them claim to want to pull Democrats to their side, but not Republicans. Is suspicious. And those aiming to enable the worst actors because Democrats aren’t dropping everything to give them everything they desire. Downright sinister. And not to be enabled or normalized.
I don’t disagree that compromising on genocide etc should ever be an acceptable situation. But it is the situation were sadly in. That so many would claim to want to stop the genocide, while glibly hand waving away any improvement to the conditions. That aren’t perfect, complete, or pure in their eyes. It’s unconscionable. Childishly screeching at any that disagree with or point out flaws in their claims or views. As blue maga or genocide enablers. Make no mistake that they are nearly as much a roadblock to solutions as those actually championing the genocide.
Lots of people talk big. Claiming that they have the solution. That it’s easy. That they only need to do this one trick. That’s how you know they’re full of shit.
It’s not any more genocide than it was for the last 20 to 40 years. It’s definitely kicked up a notch. But always been genocide
Try 75 years.
Anyways, it’s always been a taboo subject. Before the last year’s atrocities, any criticism of Israel was outside of the Overton window and as such nobody would listen.
Some of us have been complaining to deaf ears for decades.
That more people are speaking up now isn’t because people only just started caring. It’s because it wasn’t socially acceptable before and as such people held back for fear of being ostracized by their peers.
Seeing how many of them claim to want to pull Democrats to their side, but not Republicans. Is suspicious.
Because Republicans are impossible to convince. No use wasting time trying to persuade those that DEFINITELY won’t listen.
Conversely, some Democrats MIGHT listen, so those are the ones you have to appeal to.
And those aiming to enable the worst actors because Democrats aren’t dropping everything to give them everything they desire.
That’s a ridiculous strawman. Maybe an infinitesimal number if people do that, but even then it’s purely rhetorical in most cases.
It’s a classic case of an ad hominem as well. There’s nothing wrong with the claim that you should expect better from the leaders of the party supposed to represent everyone to the left of literal fascism, so instead you attack the people making the claim, inventing sinister intent.
And not to be enabled or normalized.
That’s a really weird argument to make against people no longer willing to accept enabling and normalizing the genocide and countless other crimes against humanity of a fascist apartheid regime.
I don’t disagree that compromising on genocide etc should ever be an acceptable situation
But you still think people should just shut up and meekly accept it because their dissent is inconvenient to you.
That so many would claim to want to stop the genocide, while glibly hand waving away any improvement to the conditions
What fucking improvements? Things in Gaza and now Lebanon are worse than they’ve been for decades and apart from holding back PART of ONE weapons shipment amongst hundreds, the US government has done nothing but Susan Collins scowling at it while INCREASING the usual support in the form of weapons and financial aid.
That aren’t perfect, complete, or pure in their eyes. It’s unconscionable
No, what’s unconscionable is the continued support for Israel. What’s unconscionable is to dismiss all dissent as the sinister machinations of bad actors.
Childishly screeching at any that disagree with or point out flaws in their claims or views
Says the one who’s spent two paragraphs condemning and accusing of nefarious intent those who dare criticize their leaders.
Make no mistake that they are nearly as much a roadblock to solutions as those actually championing the genocide.
You could just as easily be talking about yourself or the leaders you aim to shield from any dissent. If you were, you’d even be right.
Attacking and smearing people you claim to agree with for holding your favorite politicians accountable for their actions isn’t right, though. That IS some Blue MAGA cultlike shit.
Lots of people talk big
Yeah, I’m responding to one right now.
Claiming that they have the solution. That it’s easy. That they only need to do this one trick.
Again with the fucking strawmen. Nobody is saying that it’s easy to break with decades of zionist hegemony of American politics.
That doesn’t mean that doing so isn’t the only morally defensible AND tactically sound course of action.
Not all Republicans are unreachable. The Nazis sure. But that isn’t all of them by a long shot. And BTW, thanks so much for proving my point. Big props.
False. It’s literally a fascist party. If you vote for the fascist party that thinks Israel should “get the job done”, you don’t consider either a deal breaker and as such can not be reached by reason or appeals to your conscience. You have none left of either.
thanks so much for proving my point.
Right back at you, Dunning Kruger poster child.
Your projection and othering of anyone who disagrees with you that the lives of millions of people aren’t worth advocating for if it’s inconvenient to your leaders is textbook MAGA, whether Blue or not.
Yeah, it would be much more accurate to flip the two as centrists and right wing people have ignored Israel’s countless crimes against humanity for 75 years!
So have many pounding it now. It’s not any more genocide than it was for the last 20 to 40 years. It’s definitely kicked up a notch. But always been genocide. Seeing so many on the “left” pop up as single issue voters around it in the last year. Is good but specious. Seeing how many of them claim to want to pull Democrats to their side, but not Republicans. Is suspicious. And those aiming to enable the worst actors because Democrats aren’t dropping everything to give them everything they desire. Downright sinister. And not to be enabled or normalized.
I don’t disagree that compromising on genocide etc should ever be an acceptable situation. But it is the situation were sadly in. That so many would claim to want to stop the genocide, while glibly hand waving away any improvement to the conditions. That aren’t perfect, complete, or pure in their eyes. It’s unconscionable. Childishly screeching at any that disagree with or point out flaws in their claims or views. As blue maga or genocide enablers. Make no mistake that they are nearly as much a roadblock to solutions as those actually championing the genocide.
Lots of people talk big. Claiming that they have the solution. That it’s easy. That they only need to do this one trick. That’s how you know they’re full of shit.
Try 75 years.
Anyways, it’s always been a taboo subject. Before the last year’s atrocities, any criticism of Israel was outside of the Overton window and as such nobody would listen.
Some of us have been complaining to deaf ears for decades.
That more people are speaking up now isn’t because people only just started caring. It’s because it wasn’t socially acceptable before and as such people held back for fear of being ostracized by their peers.
Because Republicans are impossible to convince. No use wasting time trying to persuade those that DEFINITELY won’t listen.
Conversely, some Democrats MIGHT listen, so those are the ones you have to appeal to.
That’s a ridiculous strawman. Maybe an infinitesimal number if people do that, but even then it’s purely rhetorical in most cases.
It’s a classic case of an ad hominem as well. There’s nothing wrong with the claim that you should expect better from the leaders of the party supposed to represent everyone to the left of literal fascism, so instead you attack the people making the claim, inventing sinister intent.
That’s a really weird argument to make against people no longer willing to accept enabling and normalizing the genocide and countless other crimes against humanity of a fascist apartheid regime.
But you still think people should just shut up and meekly accept it because their dissent is inconvenient to you.
What fucking improvements? Things in Gaza and now Lebanon are worse than they’ve been for decades and apart from holding back PART of ONE weapons shipment amongst hundreds, the US government has done nothing but Susan Collins scowling at it while INCREASING the usual support in the form of weapons and financial aid.
No, what’s unconscionable is the continued support for Israel. What’s unconscionable is to dismiss all dissent as the sinister machinations of bad actors.
Says the one who’s spent two paragraphs condemning and accusing of nefarious intent those who dare criticize their leaders.
You could just as easily be talking about yourself or the leaders you aim to shield from any dissent. If you were, you’d even be right.
Attacking and smearing people you claim to agree with for holding your favorite politicians accountable for their actions isn’t right, though. That IS some Blue MAGA cultlike shit.
Yeah, I’m responding to one right now.
Again with the fucking strawmen. Nobody is saying that it’s easy to break with decades of zionist hegemony of American politics.
That doesn’t mean that doing so isn’t the only morally defensible AND tactically sound course of action.
This you?
Found one!
Not all Republicans are unreachable. The Nazis sure. But that isn’t all of them by a long shot. And BTW, thanks so much for proving my point. Big props.
False. It’s literally a fascist party. If you vote for the fascist party that thinks Israel should “get the job done”, you don’t consider either a deal breaker and as such can not be reached by reason or appeals to your conscience. You have none left of either.
Right back at you, Dunning Kruger poster child.
Your projection and othering of anyone who disagrees with you that the lives of millions of people aren’t worth advocating for if it’s inconvenient to your leaders is textbook MAGA, whether Blue or not.