• TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    1413·
    1 month ago

    Wow! Hosting terrorists on your stream is so perfect! So is blasting propaganda music with flags saying “death to the jews” on them!

    I love how people (rightfully) called out Pewdiepie for jokingly paying guys to put “death to jews” on a sign, but when hasan does it unironically its okay

      • KombatWombat@lemmy.world
        32·
        27 days ago

        Wow! Hosting terrorists on your stream is so perfect! So is blasting propaganda music with flags saying “death to the jews” on them!

        The “hosting terrorists” part would be referring to the Houthi soldier Yemeni he interviewed on stream. I personally don’t have a problem with having controversial people on for stuff like interviews but the problem was more that Hasan was trying to make him seem more appealing and only giving him soft-balls.

        • The Houthi guy was talking about guarding captured foreign merchant ship crews and making them dance and Hasan was talking about how much fun that must have been.
        • Hasan later cut him off and redirected when he started talking about how the knife on the shelf behind him can’t be sheathed until tasting blood.
        • Hasan ran out of prepared questions pretty quickly so he started asking him about what his favorite anime was and what fast food they had available there. He was just generally trying to make him seem relatable.
        • Someone in chat wanted Hasan to ask about if they would release the hostages if peace or a ceasefire was negotiated and Hasan something like “I’m not asking him that, of course he would”.
        • He later described it as “like talking to Anne Frank”.

        The “blasting propaganda music” refers to him showing a Yemeni propaganda music video on stream to a guest and viewers. The lyrics were mainly about all the weapons and war supplies they wanted, and what they would use them for. It honestly was just bizarre and left everyone confused since there wasn’t really context for showing it.

        I love how people (rightfully) called out Pewdiepie for jokingly paying guys to put “death to jews” on a sign, but when hasan does it unironically its okay

        Not sure if the “Death to Jews” thing is referring to something specific or just that Hamas is very vocally anti-Israel.

        • NewDark@lemmings.world
          3·
          1 month ago
          • The kid isn’t a Houthi. They flew out civilians to the boat as a sort of tourist attraction.
          • He was trying to humanize a human, oh no how terrible.
          • While the kid isn’t Houthi, they’ve been incredibly clear their interference is entirely based on solidarity with the Palestinians getting genocided. They are attempting to apply pressure to stop it, which I think is a good thing (even if it might disrupt the global flow of treats).
          • Yemen was being genocided while he was a child, and the kid is a survivor of the genocide (one the US funded and facilitated). The comparison isn’t perfect, but apt.
          • He says every damn day how antisemitism isn’t OK, and he doesn’t agree with the flag. Do remember Israel is the one cynically hiding behind Judaism for the actions of their state. This isn’t an excuse, but it is contextually important for why Yemeni people might hold antisemitic opinions.
          • KombatWombat@lemmy.world
            1·
            28 days ago

            The kid described himself as a “Red Sea Pirate” and when asked more about his role, his translator gave us “His answer is, he is a Yemeni who stands with Palestine”. Hasan said he was media-trained, so I would say that’s a rather meaningful evasion. Also worth noting that the Houthis were (and I think still are?) designated as a terrorist group by the US, so I would expect he wouldn’t want to claim membership outright. If nothing else, it could risk a ToS violation for Hasan.

            I’m not saying that he should be demonized. In case I wasn’t clear, I personally think an interview could be valuable if done carefully, but interviews can also be disguised advertisements, and I don’t think Hasan was trying to be neutral in it. It would have been cool to know more about the kid’s personal motivations and goals considering he would probably share them with many others. But I guess part of my critique is that we didn’t get much exploration of that and it seems like a squandered opportunity. Instead it was mostly stuff with little substance that distracts from the possibility of a moral judgement, and it seemed intentional to me.

            • NewDark@lemmings.world
              1·
              28 days ago

              The US designated Nelson Mandela a terrorist up until 2008. I don’t give a fuck what the US labels as a terrorist organization. It’s a label meant to terminate thought and allow them justification for all inhumane actions against them.

              He isn’t a houthi, that was discovered in the interview which changed the tone of the interview. Please stop regurgitating bad faith talking points istg.

              • KombatWombat@lemmy.world
                1·
                27 days ago

                Yes, technically Mandela was considered a terrorist because he was a member of the ANC, which was labeled as a terrorist group during the cold war after its infrastructure attacks against an apartheid government accidentally killed civilians. I agree this was a mistake and should have been corrected sooner. But this was also a lingering bureaucratic snafu, and doesn’t have anything to do with the Houthis. And for the record, Mandela was welcomed into the white house by Bush and considered a respected ally decades before being delisted.

                The Houthis meanwhile have fired on, captured, and killed crew members of merchant ships belonging to various countries uninvolved with the conflict. They’ve haphazardly fired cruise missiles at Israel that instead land in civilian areas in Egypt. Their slogan translates to “God Is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A curse upon the Jews, Victory to Islam”. Whatever justifications they may give for their actions, they are terrorists.

                I did some more research and I’ll admit the guy may not have been a member of the Houthis. I’m sorry for saying that when it was unconfirmed, but I still wish he would’ve been pressed to give a real yes or no. I didn’t find an explanation for why else he would call himself a Red Sea pirate. But if not, then at least he does support them with content like this and was welcomed onto a ship patrolled by armed guards they had captured for a tour or for content.

                Also, you are misremembering the tone of the interview. Hasan’s fourth question was if the guy had heard of One Piece, followed by Hasan saying that the Houthis were “doing what Luffy would do”. When the guy was talking about their motivation for capturing the ships, Hasan said “Yeah yeah yeah yeah, exactly, no, I’m saying it’s a good thing. I understand.” Hasan asked if he was a Houthi member later, after bringing up anime.

                • NewDark@lemmings.world
                  1·
                  27 days ago

                  So, the Houthis are instituting a blockade. Sometimes a blockade needs to be enforced. Is doing that a terrorist act? If so, America is a larger terrorist in this regard (see Cuba for a single example), and Israel blockades the entire Gaza strip. Unless your entire world view is “we can do anything to them, and they can’t do anything back”, you’ll have a hard time with hand wringing about one over the other.

                  The Houthis blockade is for a just cause in my opinion, so frankly they have a higher moral standing.

                  And you brought up the flag again… Here. Norm Finklestien says it better than I ever could. https://www.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/1g5jv2u/norman_finkelsteins_response_on_the_houthis_slogan/