Why make a new government when it will inevitably end up as an oppressive regime, just like every other nation and government. (don’t @ me, even NZ, Denmark and other “perfect” countries are still oppressive) Why not go all anarchist? It’s worked for a time Ukraine and Spain and I believe it could work here.
How’s anarchy supposed to work? Both Ukraine and Spain have functioning “oppressive” governments now. I always figured that it’d end up with whoever has the most guns ending up doing whatever they want.
The reason that those two countries are now under “authoritarian” rule is the fact that the anarchist communities that were functioning were shutdown by neighboring states. It would take a truly global revolution for anarchism to work. However, I could see that happening in my lifetime due to the state of the planet. Once there’s nothing left for us to extract and nothing left to fight over nations will have very little power.
For some kind of anarchist, socialist utopia to even remotely work you need consensus and social cohesion. A desire to get along and work for the betterment of others.
To propose something like that, at this point in time for America… while it would be nice in theory, if you removed government what do you think would happen?
If Anarchism were to ever be realized and people governed themselves cooperatively, yes I do think that. I’d rather not debate because that’s my opinion and I don’t think it’s going to change. We can agree to disagree.
Yeah, he’s seriously 15 years old mentally. Sounds like libertarian garbled nonsense.
We all benefit from altruism. Because of one thing, technology. Let’s talk medical care for one, I have access to better healthcare than any medieval king had, actually I would say any human being has had on this earth since before 1980? 1985? Hell I don’t even know when.
Why is that? Because of medical advancements caused by scientific collaboration, which can be guided by public funding and public interests. How do you have these breakthroughs? You educate the populace and direct attention to scientific accomplishments.
Fuck anarchy, we are social species. Social democracy is the shit!
I am pretty new to politics and I align more with social democracy, but I’ve always being curious about anarcho communism and it isn’t about losing scientific advancements or everyone for themselves. I think an anarchist would argue that these things are possible and in fact encouraged, but that they should be handled directly by the community, cutting out the middle man of the government.
Whether this could work or not is another dilemma, and one I cannot answer.
I just don’t believe that could work at the global scale for scientific advancement. Government or not we need regulated research and technology. You need a government to do that because otherwise what would be the punishment?
I think whatever the system we use we need to develop the technology to enable verification and proof based systems.
whatever the system people will lie, cheat, and manipulate so none of them will work properly until we have ways of confirming claims built into all our systems from scientific research, media and technology right to politics and maybe even ever day speech.
Why make a new government when it will inevitably end up as an oppressive regime, just like every other nation and government. (don’t @ me, even NZ, Denmark and other “perfect” countries are still oppressive) Why not go all anarchist? It’s worked for a time Ukraine and Spain and I believe it could work here.
How’s anarchy supposed to work? Both Ukraine and Spain have functioning “oppressive” governments now. I always figured that it’d end up with whoever has the most guns ending up doing whatever they want.
The reason that those two countries are now under “authoritarian” rule is the fact that the anarchist communities that were functioning were shutdown by neighboring states. It would take a truly global revolution for anarchism to work. However, I could see that happening in my lifetime due to the state of the planet. Once there’s nothing left for us to extract and nothing left to fight over nations will have very little power.
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For some kind of anarchist, socialist utopia to even remotely work you need consensus and social cohesion. A desire to get along and work for the betterment of others.
To propose something like that, at this point in time for America… while it would be nice in theory, if you removed government what do you think would happen?
…also, Denmark is oppressive? lol
In my opinion any entity that put’s power in the hands of a few who decide the fate of many (governments) will become oppressive to some degree. As for Denmark specifically: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/27/scandinavian-miracle-brutal-truth-denmark-norway-sweden. Also centuries of oppression of the First People’s in Greenland.
You think the world would be better if there was no government than if there was one like in Denmark or New Zealand? Are you serious?
If Anarchism were to ever be realized and people governed themselves cooperatively, yes I do think that. I’d rather not debate because that’s my opinion and I don’t think it’s going to change. We can agree to disagree.
Yeah, he’s seriously 15 years old mentally. Sounds like libertarian garbled nonsense.
We all benefit from altruism. Because of one thing, technology. Let’s talk medical care for one, I have access to better healthcare than any medieval king had, actually I would say any human being has had on this earth since before 1980? 1985? Hell I don’t even know when.
Why is that? Because of medical advancements caused by scientific collaboration, which can be guided by public funding and public interests. How do you have these breakthroughs? You educate the populace and direct attention to scientific accomplishments.
Fuck anarchy, we are social species. Social democracy is the shit!
I am pretty new to politics and I align more with social democracy, but I’ve always being curious about anarcho communism and it isn’t about losing scientific advancements or everyone for themselves. I think an anarchist would argue that these things are possible and in fact encouraged, but that they should be handled directly by the community, cutting out the middle man of the government.
Whether this could work or not is another dilemma, and one I cannot answer.
I just don’t believe that could work at the global scale for scientific advancement. Government or not we need regulated research and technology. You need a government to do that because otherwise what would be the punishment?
I just can’t see it working on the large scale.
I think whatever the system we use we need to develop the technology to enable verification and proof based systems.
whatever the system people will lie, cheat, and manipulate so none of them will work properly until we have ways of confirming claims built into all our systems from scientific research, media and technology right to politics and maybe even ever day speech.