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“Why is everyone so depressed?” - A man who inherited millions of dollars from his famous family.
There’s a lot of reports in this thread specifically around the “lazy doctors” and “it’s just stress” prescriptions.
This is where reddit would lock the thread and go “too much trouble to moderate.” That’s never been my personal policy.
But here’s the thing… “Lazy” may not be technically correct, but it’s been proven over and over again that if you are a woman or a minority or other marginalized group, medical professionals often are not listening to you.
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
i love the tough talk from all the edgelords saying “yeah wait until you take mine away then i’ll be a real problem for you” – lol they’ll just lobotomize you. y’all have no idea what healthcare was like before anti-depressants, huh? you don’t get a choice what happens to you after you act out ONCE in public. sure, talk your smack, it feels good… but, personally? i’m scared. my grandma used to get shocks, and that’s when we actually had asylums… now we don’t. pretty scary stuff, ngl. not enough room in jails for all of us… they’ll find other solutions.
I grew up autistic and had adhd and an anxiety disorder when most people had no idea what those were. My autism wasn’t that bad… but the way how people treated it they acted like I was less than human.
If anyone knows about lobotomies, it would be the Kennedys. Just look at Rosemary Kennedy.
Yea, perhaps a certain Kennedy in Washington DC needs a Lobotomy
As an aside, electro convulsive shock therapy is still done. It’s weirdly been proven useful for the treatment of some disorders. But as far as I know, it’s now done with full consent.
But now, as back then, no one really truly understands the full mechanism that causes it to suppress symptoms.
Yeah my great grandpa was in and out of the institution for anxiety and it was a miracle he kept his brain in one piece.
Antidepressants have problems. They’re often treated as the first thing to throw at someone who has mental issues regardless of whether or not they’re warranted (back in the day it was a common story for trans people to get prescribed antidepressants instead of hormones and have to wade through the Dr’s crap), but the modern system in which people with mental illnesses are given medication that’s peer reviewed and have some degree of autonomy over treatment is worth all this.
This is of course not real. Acting out in public once may get you punched or a disorderly conduct charge but it is unlikely to enable anyone to lock you up let alone star in a remake of one flew over the cukoos nest because a lot of law and case law has happened since.
Someone acting erratically will not survive a police encounter.
Police have literally millions of interactions with people acting erratically per year in the US. All of Europe has millions of interactions per year.
Our police are defective not because they literally massacre every person acting erratically but because between near a million sworn officers dealing with 100s of millions of people roughly a thousand kill someone this year. This is defective because others deal with similar situations whilst killing almost none.
Setting up a fantasy world where a single interaction is sure to lead to fatality is bad because its trivially disproved and the dismissal risks dismissing the ACTUAL problem of those thousand poor fuckers who died many for no good reason.
Do you think those laws matter? You aren’t living in the democratic republic you were living in six months ago.
Well dumb dumb this is still a state law issue it hasn’t changed
Isn’t your executive currently saying they dictate the law though?
This doesn’t make the parent posters fantasy divorced entirely from reality true
Ssris is not something you want to rip away from people.
This is going to be a mistake that ends in violence.
Forced labor farms for those deemed mentally unfit for society. That’s his solution. Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck the fascist slavery fetish.
Wait? Did he really say that?
Yes.
“I’ve seen this beautiful model that they have in Italy called San Patrignano, where there are 2,000 kids who work on a large farm in a healing center … and that’s what we need to build here,” Kennedy said during a town hall-style appearance on the cable channel NewsNation last year.
According to Kennedy’s plan, outlined in interviews and social media posts, Americans experiencing addiction would go to San Patrignano-style camps voluntarily, or they could be pressured or coerced into accepting care, with a threat of incarceration for those who refuse care.
But the San Patrignano program has been controversial and was featured in a 2020 Netflix documentary that included images of people with addiction allegedly being held in shackles or confined in cages. The farm’s current leaders have described the documentary as biased and unfair
The farm’s current leaders are the fucking mafia.
Jesus Fucking Christ
Yes, he’s been pushing that for a while
Creating an environment of corruption, chaos, hate and suffering. Hurting the majority of people economically, and ripping away hope for the future. Cutting programs that safeguard people, and specifically targeting their access to healthcare. And taking away the medications that help people deal with mental illness.
Sounds like a recipe for causing people to become desperate and decide they have nothing to lose.
These people never learned why and how Caucescu got what he got. Can’t wait for them to learn first hand!
Putin’s nightmare about Gaddafi. Benito Mussolini displayed in the street. Ceaușescu’s last moment on video.
Team Luigi needs more branding.
Ding ding ding! Make no mistake about it… the penultimate goal of the first six months of project 2025 is the suspension of habeus corpus and the deployment of US Military as civilian police. They need a riot to justify that last power grab. When you understand that fact, you can see the common thread in all of the random cruelty out of the gate. It’s not called project 2026.
Also the the goals of accelerationism, though it claims that such is a precursor to revolution and utopia.
You know who never rioted? Luigi. I think we should all follow his lead.
Kennedy said he planned to dedicate money generated from a sales tax on cannabis products to “creating wellness farms—drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country.” He added, “I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need—three or four years if they need it—to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities.” The farm residents would grow their own organic food because, he suggested, many of their underlying problems could be “food-related.”
Hol up. They’ve gotten rid of all the people who used to pick fruit in rural areas, and now they want to send arbitrarily diagnosed “addicts” to these rural areas to live for “free”.
Sounds like communism to me /s
Not only will they live for free, but their work will truly set them free.
Arbeit macht frei.
We could even put that over the entrance to their camp to encourage them.
Slaves, they want to make us slaves
Well sad slaves… seems odd to get rid of antidepressants during such times.
Move over re-education camps, it’s time for “re-parenting farms”.
Yeah what the fuck is that about.
It’s only sinister if they are not voluntary.
Why the fuck would you think this is at all voluntary? Why would someone who is doing fine on prozac volunteer to be a slave to “get off” it?
Anyone with a pulse finds this sinister as fuck because it’s obvious that no one would voluntarily participate in something like this.
I could see someone who is addicted to hard drugs finding success with a program like this, and the phrase “if they want to” implies that going to one of these is voluntary and not compulsory, but the real question is once they are there, can they check themselves out at any time if they feel like the program isn’t working for them? Or did the government just trap them in a taxpayer funded insane asylum for the rest of their lives because they now won’t give them any psychiatric medication to help treat the antisocial symptoms?
Of all the RFK stuff I’ve heard about, this one seems like it would be his best idea and one that most liberals could get behind if it weren’t for his regressive views on psychiatric care. Getting people off drugs and back onto their feet should be a worthwhile societal goal. Getting people off of SSRIs and Adderall and other psych meds seems like it would be counterproductive.
Sorry mate this is just bonkers.
Do you really believe RFK has just solved drug abuse?
Why not ask people who have been working in rehab centres for decades what is needed to mitigate this complex problem.
Where exactly in my post did I say this solves the problem?
People voluntarily go to rehab centers all the time. Court-ordered rehab is often offered as an alternative or complement to jail time.
Voluntary rehab centers don’t rent you out to factory farms as manual laborers during harvest season.
True. If you are being rented out then you are not volunteering. If there are daily quotas and
guardssupervisors then you are not volunteering.But people do volunteer for rehab. It really depends where on the wellness retreat <—> concentration camp line these things fall.
The idea that you can’t just step down off an SSRI as if it’s a heroin addiction is fucking ludicrous.
The thing is it’s so easy to verify that they’re not addictive.
Virtually every bullshit medical claim RFK Jr. makes can easily be verified to be bullshit.
And he just outright lies all the time too. I heard a radio interview with him where he claimed he had hundreds of clients with golf ball-sized tumors behind their ears from using cell phones. You know how you see all those people walking around with golf ball-sized tumors behind their ears?
Thats not even how tumors work!
It depends on how you define addiction.
They create physical withdrawal. But they’re not habit-forming as they have no direct action on dopamine.
So… as physically addictive as coffee and less psychologically addictive than television.
Anyway, they’re easy to get off of if you switch to one with a long half life (prozac) and taper from there. Easier to give up than caffeine. Or TV.
I think any definition of “addiction” that includes SSRIs is so vague and general that it’s unhelpful.
There aren’t many things that people do that wouldn’t cause a measurable withdrawal if discontinued.
I didn’t see “free” mentioned anywhere.
My guess is that these “wellness farms” will be just as costly to patients as traditional rehab programs, but at the same time the patients will be expected to do physical labor on the farms.
They’ll literally be paying to work there. Isn’t that the ultimate end-stage capitalist dream?
It’s not a forced labour prison, it’s a camp, where addicts are concentrated together to work. What’s the problem? /s
After six months of drinking raw milk they’se gonna be about 50% fewer
patientsslaves for them to “rehabilitate.”They will even provide a free education in agricultural harvest. What lucky souls!
I believe they’d have to reschedule cannabis federally to tax it.
Good?
It is, it’s also unlikely.
At least he said “if they want to” for psychiatric drugs
Oh well in that case I’m sure it will be fine /s
That’s a pretty good concept actually. I doubt it’ll be good in practice done by a guy who doesn’t know what a vaccine does
No it’s not. Have you been smoking crack?
Rehabilitation camp funded by Cannabis taxes is a fine idea.
Maybe get concerned when government officials start talking about putting people on farms?
I am concerned. I like the idea of voluntary isolation to reduce access to their addiction while promoting the ability to function again in society.
I know damn well that wouldn’t be how it’s used in practice, so I’m concerned with it.
Antidepressants are what give people the ability to function.
That’s what you are calling a pretty good concept.
I’m commenting towards the rest.
Considering this was all you said, maybe you should have made it clear you weren’t referring to people on prescribed psychiatric medication:
That’s a pretty good concept actually. I doubt it’ll be good in practice done by a guy who doesn’t know what a vaccine does
Since, you know, it sure sounds like you think putting people on farms for doing something about their depression is a good concept.
I missed the depression drugs part on my first read through.
It sounds like slavery to me.
If they want to
Obviously with this man is in charge it would be. However, the stated idea is not
They’re not just going to announce work camps for slaves are they.
Even if we’re talking about illicit drugs, sending users to work camps is not a cure, it’s just taking advantage of them.
…I think you’re not reading what I said…
They’re not just going to announce work camps for slaves are they.
Yes I EXPLICITLY STATED IN MY COMMENT I AGREE THEY WOULD DO THAT.
Not sure if you’re trying to be sarcastic but I’m having a hard time understanding your comments sorry.
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RFK is one of those assholes who was depressed, changed his diet and worked out, and that was enough. And he thinks that solution works for everyone. And now he has power.
Fuck anyone that takes my SSRIs away from me. That would actually make me leave the country.
“Well, have you tried not being sad?”
- my parents
Being rich also doesn’t hurt
His brain was eaten by worm, isn’t that how his depression got cured?
The only thing that worked out for him was being rich. Everything else is just an excuse/wishful thinking at best and a lie to be used to manipulate others at worst.
This is a very valid point.
Eating healthy, exercising regularly, time to relax and meditate etc. are luxuries not easily available to the poor. But a $1 pill is.
I hate to say it, but you probably can’t. People with diagnosed mental illnesses are often banned by other countries from immigrating.
I have EU citizenship.
Then good luck and I hope you make it out soon!
Still got meds. So fighting the good fight right now.
If you have the means, please gtfo while you can and let em burn.
Is that really true?
It’s pretty tough to migrate to Australia for example and I don’t think this is really a relevant question.
You have to be mad to want to live somewhere where everything is trying to kill you.
That’s just a dumb meme, nothing has been successfully able to kill me yet.
In all seriousness though, Australia is a popular destination for migrants.
It was a jokey comment. I steered away from mad max and insulting actual Australians.
RFK is one of those assholes who was depressed, changed his diet and worked out, and that was enough. And he thinks that solution works for everyone. And now he has power.
Can’t say about enough, but for me too antidepressants were not very effective (and also with some emotional downsides, I eagerly believe stats about ADs and suicide rates), and physical exercise plus simpler and healthier food (basically minimize sugar) did help me more. However, there might be a reversal here - maybe changes in weather and life events caused slight improvement in my mood first, and then came exercise and healthier food.
In any case this is considered very light depression.
Suppose depression and anxiety can take a variety of different forms, arise from a variety of different causes, manifest in a variety of ways, and respond differently to a variety of treatments.
In your case your particular malady didn’t respond to medication but did respond to other treatments.
It sounds like you can readily acknowledge that not everyone is experiencing the same illness and that often diet / exercise / lifestyle just isn’t relevant.
The problem @[email protected] is referring to is when people who successfully treat their illness with diet and exercise assume that everyone elses illness will respond in the same way.
Jesus there is another solution don’t walk away from your home this is your cross to bear.
this is your cross to bear
The fuck it is. I didn’t vote for Trump and I sure as shit didn’t sign off on Elon Musk’s god damned meddling.
Buddy you missed the guys comment I was replying to was named Jesus.
“simplejack” = “Jesus”? I’m not seeing it.
there is another solution
What’s your solution to being suicidal even after trying all of the non-pharma solutions for decades?
Walk on water, water into wine, so obvious water into blood. We need to extract the brain worm with an industrial waterjet cutter! Blessed by a native natural shaman of course to ward off the scientist’s curse.
When the options are “I don’t get the drugs that will stop me from killing myself” or “find a country that will give them to me,” I think there’s a pretty clear choice.
Oh shit, wouldn’t this be grounds for asking for asylum?
Are those the only two options? What if you did your ancestors proud and dumped tea in the harbor. I mean if you save your country you violate no law. Not a very creative problem solver, unusual for a squid.
Yes, if you will commit suicide if you don’t have the drugs you need, those are your only options if you want to stay alive.
Are you one of those “smile more” people?
Also, maybe don’t do your racist ancestors who tried to blame their protest on indigenous Americans proud? What with that being super fucking racist? You do know that’s what happened, right? They dressed up like indigenous people and then dumped the tea in the harbor.
The worms have won. Pretty soon we will all have worms injected into our head.
Remember that show BrainDead? I still wonder how that was cancelled so quickly. I cannot help but wonder if it was a little too close to home, even if it seemed like it was going to bothsider politicians in Washington…
It’s the Illithid invasion.
For the Absolute!
Goa’uld
Teal’c, I’ve got a question for you. What the hell does “kree” mean anyway.
You know, people off their meds don’t make good choices…
I mean…the trump dictatorship are most likely all on drugs to begin with.
Or, alternatively, not on drugs when they should be.
Or both!
So, they’re taking all the wrong drugs
Exactly
So I’m hearing you say this could be a self-solving problem?
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I could save them a lot of time and energy, here’s all the solutions to things they’re “studying”.
- Highly processed foods and lack of varied diets.
- Extremely high healthcare costs that make treatment/cures unreachable.
- General distrust of medical professionals due to online guidance being actively harmful for most people.
- Long commutes and general shift to online/office work has lead to greater rates of inactivity.
- Lack of in person community leads to isolation and mental health issues.
- High costs of living, being told your neighbors are your enemies, disinformation in the news making it hard to be informed or knowledgeable, and constant threats to people’s lives leading to mental health issues.
- People taking ivermectin like it’s Elon musk doing ketamine.
Agreed on all of it but the WFH point. WFH has helped a ton of people. It’s also a net benefit for the environment, human health, financial relief and mental health. Anyone telling you they work better in a office with a 2 hour daily commute in traffic is either middle management or C level. No one wants that shit.
I work out a lot more and eat healthier when I’m WFH. Doesn’t come close.
I read the comment as saying return to the office was leading to sedentary behaviors - which I would believe. My commute is 45 minutes each way in ideal traffic - that’s an additional hour and a half of just sitting for days I have to go into the office compared to my work from home days.
Ah, I was understanding it as it was causing people to be isolated vs being in the office.
Work isn’t great community, WFH + in person local activities is much better.
As long as those local activities are not related to work or co-workers.
WFH has helped a ton of people.
Could not agree more. Most especially if you have toxic management.
It’s so much worse with those kind of people in-person. With remote work you can at least not bump into them in the bathroom/kitchen/hallway, etc., you don’t have the time-and-morale-killing “pop-in”, you can leave your camera off, turn off incoming video, skip non-essential meetings, etc…it really lowers the impact of having to work with someone you don’t like very much and is part of management…
Yep couldn’t agree more.
This.
I hope to god everyone on antidepressants isn’t about to go through what people with ADHD have been going through for medication access. Ridiculous hoops to jump through, short term prescriptions, doctors treating you like a criminal, and medication shortages have made life miserable for so many people.
You mean it’s like this in the USA? I’ll admit I thought it’s some heaven for ADHD people over the ocean with everyone getting amphetamines
Lol… No.
Its almost impossible to get an adult diagnosis, it only changed during covid when they bent the rules and allowed telehealth appointments.
Then once your on it, for like the last 5, maybe more years there has been shortages on amphetamine salts and methylphenidate. One gets a shortage, then quickly it’s the next in a cycle.
To say nothing of those doctors who require monthly check-in visits just to get your prescription renewed. Had a doctor do this, eventually got notice several of my insurance claims were denied because she had been trying to charge even more than the maximum amount for a single visit (something like $250ish at the time) for me to stop in for 10 minutes and her to say, “Everything going okay?” “Yep.” Over and over and over. And if you miss one (surely not, with ADHD)? Well, fuck you, no medicine for you until you get that sorted out.
Your GP is supposed to be able to write a script for Adderall, but mine refused until I went through their hospitals mental health service to “confirm” the diagnosis I got from a famous medical facility (UCSF), which was a 3 month minimum wait to talk to the person who could then write the recommendation to see the person who can diagnose me and give me a 1 week script (another 2 month wait after the first appointment, so 5 total now), then my GP could write me my full-month amount
Oh, I’d been taking them on my old diagnosis for a fucking year and a half by that point, so it’s not like I was some recent diagnosis who was trying to doctor shop, I had a record of this shit
Oh, and trying to regularly pick my meds up from 2 different locations of the same chain pharmacy caused issues, even though it was because I travelled for work and could easily produce documents and statements from my company CEO to back me up
every pharmacy within 75 miles of my house responded to me trying to figure out of they could take me on as a new patient with active hostility, 4 hung up on me without an answer, and one said “no, fuck off you junkie”
I… I can go on, sadly, those are just my personal ones
O-OK, just so you knew, here in Russia ADHD is famous among clueless normies for being “that fake diagnosis invented by murrikan big pharma to put everyone on amphetamines”, and a lot of those clueless normies happen to be doctors. And that’s how it looks from the outside, I’ve never tried to get a diagnosis for ADHD. So - at least you can get real medicine. In theory.
According to the article RFK wants to find the “root causes” of a broad range of conditions, including autism, ADHD, asthma, obesity, multiple sclerosis, and psoriasis. Sure thing, while the his fellow fucking MAGAts shut down and destroy US medical research and increase deregulations pertaining to the food industry and pollution.
Republicans finding the major contributors to those conditions is going to be like that scroll of truth comic. They’ll only care if it turns out that the root cause is gay people existing or people being in unions or something (spoiler alert: it isn’t, but that won’t stop them).
Don’t worry the root cause is going to be vaccines. No need for science when you already have the answer.
And anti-psychotic medication too.
Does he want a bunch of undiagnosed schizophrenic people coming after him and his fellow maga stooges? Because this is how he gets a bunch of undiagnosed schizophrenic people coming after him.
Untreated, not undiagnosed.
