The voters, genuinely. Because they misunderstood what the vote meant. It wasn’t about electing a democrating candidate, it was about keeping Trump out of office*. Note that this is not limited to non-voters, but includes every american.
*: This is not what a vote for the president is meant to be about. But hey, desperate times, desperate measures, that kinda stuff.
So a mass of Americans misunderstood something about politics and that’s the voters fault. Ok. Sure. Ill give you that. But if only there was a major political party we could use to communicate with a mass of these Americans and correct the record.
Oh, wait, that’s literally the job the Democratic party. You can come up with any excuse; voters, Republicans, misinformation, media, etc. But at the end of the day the party that is actually responsible for combatting those things failed. They failed to communicate with the American people. They are run by a bunch of rich old boomers with zero connection or understanding to the workers of America.
If you don’t criticize the party and instead let them get away with “blaming voters” then they will never actually change their policies and messaging that has failed them over and over again.
Seriously, if the problems is actually voters then isn’t the solution in changing the actual platform we use to communicate with voters? Because if that platform isn’t working then we should blame that platform as well. Actually, we should focus on the problems with that platform BECAUSE that is what is used to change voters minds.
Whose job is it to inform voters if not the candidates themselves?
It wasn’t about electing a democrating candidate, it was about keeping Trump out of office*.
This mentality is exactly what allowed Democrats to move so far to the right and lose their base. This time around the Democratic candidates were literally engaging in genocide, attacking immigrants, and attacking the working class while trying to claim that they were the “good guys.” You can only do that when your sole appeal is “well at least we’re not Republicans” rather than having anything meaningful to point to to actually demonstrate that you deserve to win. Diet Republicanism isn’t appealing to anyone and these candidates completely and voluntarily chose to run on that platform even going as far as wasting weeks of campaigning in order to court Dick Cheney’s approval. It was another colossal fuck up by the DNC that once again lead to Donald Trump winning the presidency.
Whose job is it to inform voters if not the candidates themselves?
They did so, up and down. People just refused to listen, and rather listened to the republican stuff making them zero in on 2-3 issues out of thousands to make them not vote in the first place.
This time around the Democratic candidates were literally engaging in genocide, attacking immigrants, and attacking the working class while trying to claim that they were the “good guys.”
They were “engaging in genocide”? Oh that is is interesting.
Attacking immigrants? You mean the very party that the republicans were crying was daily bussing millions of illegal immigrants to american small towns was now attacking them instead? That’s odd, that doesn’t track with what the reps said!
And they’re attacking the working class? You mean the administration that, as per the available statistics, managed to undo the damage trump’s previous administration caused in regards to wage shift and even push for a (albeit small) improvement then went and physically assaulted those very workers on the streets? That’s interesting, I did not know that!
Don’t fall prey to the very mentality the Reps tried to mass-media-drill into the voter base to make them abstain or even vote for the Reps on, despite being strictly worse on those very issues they attacked the Dems over.
And yes, it’s not ideal that the US has a two-party system. It’s not ideal that the US has an electoral college. But you can’t improve that by, well, giving up and just making it worse. If faced with two bad options, and you had previously picked the less bad one, then you don’t pick the worse one just because you want some changes. You know it’s getting worse, that’s a change, but not one you ought to desire.
The voters, genuinely. Because they misunderstood what the vote meant.
If the dems required we all support a literal far right fascist genocide, or else let trump take office, then the dems are fascists. The fascist dems can go fuck themselves right along with the fascist republicans. I dont vote in support of genocide of innocents, and neither should any of you. regardless of the cost..
Sometimes I think Democrat establishment bootlickers actually wanted to lose just so they could write comments like this.
Are you gonna be like the lady that called ICE on her neighbor because the son voted for Trump to get his parents deported? Like, you have no actual moral compass. You just want your team to win and will attack anyone that might hurt your team. You’re attacking people that are against genocide for not voting for a candidate that supports genocide.
So it’s cool to support fascism just as long as you’re in the in-group at the time? There was zero need for Dems to support fascism but apparently Biden and Harris thought it was more important to protect it than defeat Donald Trump.
And yet now you got a fascist himself who also actively supports fascism and actively supports and accelerates Genocide in two countries, including wanting to entirely depopulate one.
BOY THAT NOT SUPPORTING FASCISM WORKED OUT WELL FOR YOU!!
It was fascism either way, so you should be happy since you got what you were (and still are) asking for. You seem to be under the impression that the DNC had to support fascism when that isn’t the case and we can all confirm that it wasn’t the case now that they’ve lost yet another election with the exact same garbage strategy.
I mean, good attempt, but failed. I don’t support fascism which is why I didn’t vote for a fascist. I don’t support genocide which is why I didn’t vote for the person that would fully embrace it in two countries. You can get off my junk now, thanks.
That’s the difference between the commenter above you and you. You’re happy to live in a country where your living conditions and your future are assured, even if it genocides people elsewhere. I’d say what I think about your stance if it didn’t violate the civility rules.
And yet the democrat administration couldn’t possibly run a campaign with more likeable policy and candidates than Trump, which is quite possibly the worst US president.
Lol goodbye Palestine any fucking way, friend. Those of us with a functioning brain knew that was obvious with Trump. Oh, but now they’ll get ethnically cleansed for a golf course co-owned by Trump and Israel! Hope your sanctimony warms the empty space in your head.
The dude is laughing about genocide while fantasizing about additional genocides against people who disagree with him. He obviously has MAGA brain rot syndrome.
And so you voted by splitting your vote based on your local outcome. Which still, factually makes you have voted for either of the two.
One of which also wants your cost of living to go up (and is doing that now), social security to go down (and is doing that right now), reduce oversight of large corporations, massively expand corruption and corporate control of the government, reduce public safety and limit personal liberties.
If you got a choice between +9-1 and -11 (bonus for the Reps accelerating the genocide instead of abiding it) , and that’s your two options, you don’t pick the latter. And not voting is the same as voting for the local majority, so it matters fuck all what your intent was.
You, also, misunderstood what the vote was about, quite clearly.
People like you silencing dissent is precisely how the DNC deluded themselves into believing they could win while running to the right.
The only time we see the democrats accede to popular opinion and do the things they need to get elected is when is so exceedingly obvious that there is no other path that they can’t pretend otherwise, and the moment that pressure lets up, they will stop. They only told Biden to drop out when he had no path to victory, and the moment Kamala looked like she’d win, the dems embraced every policy that had killed the Biden campaign.
They had polling data, they knew that banning tiktok wouldn’t increase their chances to win, but they did it anyway. They knew that sending cops to kick the shit out of politically active college students wouldn’t help them win, but they did it anyway, because they thought they could do that and still win.
I’m not criticising who disagree with both parties, just those that did not vote and now want to pretend that didn’t have an effect largely the same as a vote.
Most voting systems cannot model non-voting, and hence it ends up being a vote in effect, and for whom is something you let somebody else decide then. It’s silly to pretend otherwise. Abstaining means giving a vote to someone who you know won’t win, that’s the only way sadly.
To make abstaining visible you’d have to say, directly assign seats if the house to parties including that the percentage of non-voters forces seats to be left vacant or such. But I’m not sure anybody uses something like that, don’t think so.
Frame it how you’d like, and I’ll frame it how I like. And I’ll happily vote similarly in 2026 and 2028 too. Until the dems get more scared of losing elections from a lack of progressive support than they are scared of losing far right AIPAC donations, they get zero support from me and the progressives I know, and they cant win an election without us unless they find a whole lot of republican votes-- which they have zero chance of getting.
Let us know how that turns out. Until then, get used to AIPAC buying you like a cheap mercenary to support ever greater war crimes. Even after they kill everyone in Gaza and the west bank, they wont stop there. Its on to Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, then Egypt. Someone needs man/woman-up and tell them no.
The voters, genuinely. Because they misunderstood what the vote meant. It wasn’t about electing a democrating candidate, it was about keeping Trump out of office*. Note that this is not limited to non-voters, but includes every american.
*: This is not what a vote for the president is meant to be about. But hey, desperate times, desperate measures, that kinda stuff.
So a mass of Americans misunderstood something about politics and that’s the voters fault. Ok. Sure. Ill give you that. But if only there was a major political party we could use to communicate with a mass of these Americans and correct the record.
Oh, wait, that’s literally the job the Democratic party. You can come up with any excuse; voters, Republicans, misinformation, media, etc. But at the end of the day the party that is actually responsible for combatting those things failed. They failed to communicate with the American people. They are run by a bunch of rich old boomers with zero connection or understanding to the workers of America.
If you don’t criticize the party and instead let them get away with “blaming voters” then they will never actually change their policies and messaging that has failed them over and over again.
Seriously, if the problems is actually voters then isn’t the solution in changing the actual platform we use to communicate with voters? Because if that platform isn’t working then we should blame that platform as well. Actually, we should focus on the problems with that platform BECAUSE that is what is used to change voters minds.
Whose job is it to inform voters if not the candidates themselves?
This mentality is exactly what allowed Democrats to move so far to the right and lose their base. This time around the Democratic candidates were literally engaging in genocide, attacking immigrants, and attacking the working class while trying to claim that they were the “good guys.” You can only do that when your sole appeal is “well at least we’re not Republicans” rather than having anything meaningful to point to to actually demonstrate that you deserve to win. Diet Republicanism isn’t appealing to anyone and these candidates completely and voluntarily chose to run on that platform even going as far as wasting weeks of campaigning in order to court Dick Cheney’s approval. It was another colossal fuck up by the DNC that once again lead to Donald Trump winning the presidency.
They did so, up and down. People just refused to listen, and rather listened to the republican stuff making them zero in on 2-3 issues out of thousands to make them not vote in the first place.
They were “engaging in genocide”? Oh that is is interesting.
Attacking immigrants? You mean the very party that the republicans were crying was daily bussing millions of illegal immigrants to american small towns was now attacking them instead? That’s odd, that doesn’t track with what the reps said!
And they’re attacking the working class? You mean the administration that, as per the available statistics, managed to undo the damage trump’s previous administration caused in regards to wage shift and even push for a (albeit small) improvement then went and physically assaulted those very workers on the streets? That’s interesting, I did not know that!
Don’t fall prey to the very mentality the Reps tried to mass-media-drill into the voter base to make them abstain or even vote for the Reps on, despite being strictly worse on those very issues they attacked the Dems over.
And yes, it’s not ideal that the US has a two-party system. It’s not ideal that the US has an electoral college. But you can’t improve that by, well, giving up and just making it worse. If faced with two bad options, and you had previously picked the less bad one, then you don’t pick the worse one just because you want some changes. You know it’s getting worse, that’s a change, but not one you ought to desire.
I can’t even imagine being brainwashed enough to read the absolutely SPOT ON comment that @[email protected] wrote then writing what you wrote.
If the dems required we all support a literal far right fascist genocide, or else let trump take office, then the dems are fascists. The fascist dems can go fuck themselves right along with the fascist republicans. I dont vote in support of genocide of innocents, and neither should any of you. regardless of the cost..
Hope you liked having a country and a future in it as much as I did. Be a pity if you didn’t care about what you lost us with your “protest vote.”
Sometimes I think Democrat establishment bootlickers actually wanted to lose just so they could write comments like this.
Are you gonna be like the lady that called ICE on her neighbor because the son voted for Trump to get his parents deported? Like, you have no actual moral compass. You just want your team to win and will attack anyone that might hurt your team. You’re attacking people that are against genocide for not voting for a candidate that supports genocide.
… Huh? I think I’ve just met the most insane person on this site. How ya doing?
So it’s cool to support fascism just as long as you’re in the in-group at the time? There was zero need for Dems to support fascism but apparently Biden and Harris thought it was more important to protect it than defeat Donald Trump.
And yet now you got a fascist himself who also actively supports fascism and actively supports and accelerates Genocide in two countries, including wanting to entirely depopulate one.
BOY THAT NOT SUPPORTING FASCISM WORKED OUT WELL FOR YOU!!
It was fascism either way, so you should be happy since you got what you were (and still are) asking for. You seem to be under the impression that the DNC had to support fascism when that isn’t the case and we can all confirm that it wasn’t the case now that they’ve lost yet another election with the exact same garbage strategy.
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I mean, good attempt, but failed. I don’t support fascism which is why I didn’t vote for a fascist. I don’t support genocide which is why I didn’t vote for the person that would fully embrace it in two countries. You can get off my junk now, thanks.
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That’s the difference between the commenter above you and you. You’re happy to live in a country where your living conditions and your future are assured, even if it genocides people elsewhere. I’d say what I think about your stance if it didn’t violate the civility rules.
And yet people voted a fascist into office who is now actively acclerating genocide including wanting a country fully depopulated.
And yet the democrat administration couldn’t possibly run a campaign with more likeable policy and candidates than Trump, which is quite possibly the worst US president.
Lol goodbye Palestine any fucking way, friend. Those of us with a functioning brain knew that was obvious with Trump. Oh, but now they’ll get ethnically cleansed for a golf course co-owned by Trump and Israel! Hope your sanctimony warms the empty space in your head.
That’s a lot of words for saying you don’t care about the deaths of Arabs as long as you reap the benefits in the imperial core.
The dude is laughing about genocide while fantasizing about additional genocides against people who disagree with him. He obviously has MAGA brain rot syndrome.
If I had a nickel every time I saw a liberal in glee about Palestine in the last 4 years, I’d have enough to move out of this hellhole.
Just keep going. You’re really evidencing true idiocy.
And so you voted by splitting your vote based on your local outcome. Which still, factually makes you have voted for either of the two.
One of which also wants your cost of living to go up (and is doing that now), social security to go down (and is doing that right now), reduce oversight of large corporations, massively expand corruption and corporate control of the government, reduce public safety and limit personal liberties.
If you got a choice between +9-1 and -11 (bonus for the Reps accelerating the genocide instead of abiding it) , and that’s your two options, you don’t pick the latter. And not voting is the same as voting for the local majority, so it matters fuck all what your intent was.
You, also, misunderstood what the vote was about, quite clearly.
People like you silencing dissent is precisely how the DNC deluded themselves into believing they could win while running to the right.
The only time we see the democrats accede to popular opinion and do the things they need to get elected is when is so exceedingly obvious that there is no other path that they can’t pretend otherwise, and the moment that pressure lets up, they will stop. They only told Biden to drop out when he had no path to victory, and the moment Kamala looked like she’d win, the dems embraced every policy that had killed the Biden campaign.
They had polling data, they knew that banning tiktok wouldn’t increase their chances to win, but they did it anyway. They knew that sending cops to kick the shit out of politically active college students wouldn’t help them win, but they did it anyway, because they thought they could do that and still win.
Oh I think you misunderstand me.
I’m not criticising who disagree with both parties, just those that did not vote and now want to pretend that didn’t have an effect largely the same as a vote. Most voting systems cannot model non-voting, and hence it ends up being a vote in effect, and for whom is something you let somebody else decide then. It’s silly to pretend otherwise. Abstaining means giving a vote to someone who you know won’t win, that’s the only way sadly.
To make abstaining visible you’d have to say, directly assign seats if the house to parties including that the percentage of non-voters forces seats to be left vacant or such. But I’m not sure anybody uses something like that, don’t think so.
Frame it how you’d like, and I’ll frame it how I like. And I’ll happily vote similarly in 2026 and 2028 too. Until the dems get more scared of losing elections from a lack of progressive support than they are scared of losing far right AIPAC donations, they get zero support from me and the progressives I know, and they cant win an election without us unless they find a whole lot of republican votes-- which they have zero chance of getting.
Let us know how that turns out. Until then, get used to AIPAC buying you like a cheap mercenary to support ever greater war crimes. Even after they kill everyone in Gaza and the west bank, they wont stop there. Its on to Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, then Egypt. Someone needs man/woman-up and tell them no.