People will always want more, Communism isn’t a vow of poverty, it readily acknowledges that production will continue to improve when Humanity has become Capital’s master, rather than its slave.
Greed is boundless for some. If anything Capitalism is the perfect example of this. I don’t see how having enough will fix it for them.
When I look at the open-source community the way altruistic projects reach sustainable success is with a beneficial dictator which is authoritarian but has correct intentions.
I don’t really see how that’s a problem for Communism. People go without megamansions all the time in Capitalism, and it isn’t just those who can afford them that want them. Satisfying a much larger quantity of needs is a good thing.
I don’t think the idea of Communism that exists in your head is the same understanding of Communism that Marxists have, if that’s the question you’re asking. Could you explain how you think someone would go about “trying to aquire more wealth than they need” in a Communist system to begin with, and why it would be an issue?
I’m trying to understand where the differences are in our understanding so I can better get across what I’m talking about, I’m not trying to insult your intelligence or anything.
Sure, so I’m completely unfamiliar with the whole Commune structure and am wondering how wealth would be acquired and distributed. Are people rewarded for their labor and how does ownership work?
Depends on the level of development of Communism, and we won’t know what is applicable to when until we get there. Communism isn’t a Utopia invented by Marx, but a prediction for the future based on analysis of politics and economics throughout history and the present, ergo we have to develop into it and see where it actually takes us.
In general, though, with a fully publicly owned and planned economy, people would be rewarded for their labor, yes, but it might take the form of labor vouchers, a different form of currency, etc designed to not be transferable to others in the economy individually, but with the social fund as a whole. This system of varying “prices” can be solved for using various feedback loops called “cybernetiks.”
I recommend reading Prices in a Planned Economy, it’s a useful intro to how to think about abolishing the commodity form.
Vow of Poverty can be pretty powerful in the early to mid game (levels 1-9) due to the exalted feats and bonus stats being higher value than could be purchased on magic items.
There’s something qualitatively different between the poor man’s desire for money and the rich man’s desire for money. The poor man has a functional, material desire for money that arises from his physiological needs. Through a dialectical process, money (and commodities more broadly) has gone from an intermediate that is used to satisfy needs, use value, into an end in and of itself. The ideological fetishization of money is what leads to the rich man desiring more money, and the fact that capital exists as a means to do so is what allows the lifestyle of endless greed to even exist. Acquiring capital and living in service of that capital, with the goal of making it multiply further, is what drives the capitalists.
Therefore, what is needed to abolish both of their enslavements is to kill both their masters, who is one and the same, and is called capital.
Okay but how does it solve this im14andthisisdeep Facebook meme?
People will always want more, Communism isn’t a vow of poverty, it readily acknowledges that production will continue to improve when Humanity has become Capital’s master, rather than its slave.
Greed is boundless for some. If anything Capitalism is the perfect example of this. I don’t see how having enough will fix it for them.
When I look at the open-source community the way altruistic projects reach sustainable success is with a beneficial dictator which is authoritarian but has correct intentions.
I don’t really see how that’s a problem for Communism. People go without megamansions all the time in Capitalism, and it isn’t just those who can afford them that want them. Satisfying a much larger quantity of needs is a good thing.
Sure but how can Communism prevent someone from trying to acquire more wealth than they need?
I don’t think the idea of Communism that exists in your head is the same understanding of Communism that Marxists have, if that’s the question you’re asking. Could you explain how you think someone would go about “trying to aquire more wealth than they need” in a Communist system to begin with, and why it would be an issue?
I’m trying to understand where the differences are in our understanding so I can better get across what I’m talking about, I’m not trying to insult your intelligence or anything.
Sure, so I’m completely unfamiliar with the whole Commune structure and am wondering how wealth would be acquired and distributed. Are people rewarded for their labor and how does ownership work?
Depends on the level of development of Communism, and we won’t know what is applicable to when until we get there. Communism isn’t a Utopia invented by Marx, but a prediction for the future based on analysis of politics and economics throughout history and the present, ergo we have to develop into it and see where it actually takes us.
In general, though, with a fully publicly owned and planned economy, people would be rewarded for their labor, yes, but it might take the form of labor vouchers, a different form of currency, etc designed to not be transferable to others in the economy individually, but with the social fund as a whole. This system of varying “prices” can be solved for using various feedback loops called “cybernetiks.”
I recommend reading Prices in a Planned Economy, it’s a useful intro to how to think about abolishing the commodity form.
Vow of Poverty can be pretty powerful in the early to mid game (levels 1-9) due to the exalted feats and bonus stats being higher value than could be purchased on magic items.
Lmao 😂
There’s something qualitatively different between the poor man’s desire for money and the rich man’s desire for money. The poor man has a functional, material desire for money that arises from his physiological needs. Through a dialectical process, money (and commodities more broadly) has gone from an intermediate that is used to satisfy needs, use value, into an end in and of itself. The ideological fetishization of money is what leads to the rich man desiring more money, and the fact that capital exists as a means to do so is what allows the lifestyle of endless greed to even exist. Acquiring capital and living in service of that capital, with the goal of making it multiply further, is what drives the capitalists.
Therefore, what is needed to abolish both of their enslavements is to kill both their masters, who is one and the same, and is called capital.