Has anyone else dealt with these?? They’re NFC, track how long they’re in the bathroom, and where they are. I dont know what company this is through, nor what they are doing with all the data they’re collecting. They also use things called smart passes. I’m thinking about emailing the school district and not allowing them to make my child use them. It seems invasive and creepy. :( If anyone has any advice how to approach this, please let me know. Or knows about them in general. I just don’t trust it. Thank you!!

Also!! Would super appreciate helping me lay out properly communicated points, as I am not a confrontational person, and am very mad. I’m worried I’ll just sound like I’m pitching a fit for no reason. I never want to be that parent that is dreaded by schools. But this is important. Especially due to my more sensitive situation (my children are foster kids)

Edit for FAQ:

  • each kid gets an individual digital pass, it records their geolocation, behavioral problems, responses to medical questionnaires, and it can be shared with 3rd parties according to their privacy policy. (Students are considered “customers”)

  • I’m from the US.

  • they are supposed to wear it all day, every day and check in every place they go with kiosks.

  • they are also being limited to 3 bathroom breaks a day… So I guess fuck you if you’ve got heavy periods or IBS. And you can’t go in between classes. Bathrooms will be locked unless it’s an emergency, but you have to have a teacher override the lock. Which isn’t exactly how an emergency works.

  • one of my biggest concerns as someone in the US is a school shooter situation where they get access to this system and now they can pinpoint where every kid is and is going. Can prevent stragglers.

My email to the principal (I will be doing a follow up about the health problems)

Hello Principal,

This is Blah463.I have several concerns about this smartpass system and the general bathroom break policy. While I understand the issues posed by students being able to go to the bathroom freely, I believe an old school solution would be better and not as concerning (like signing out of the classroom). I believe it is through Raptor Technologies, though please correct me if I am wrong.

I apologize if this comes across as harsh, as I am honestly quite angry I was not even asked permission for this. I would have declined. This puts my and every other student in danger, risks data breaches, makes it more difficult for students to use the bathroom (despite this showing to have negative effects on their urinary health, and makes them less likely to properly hydrate).

Here is Raptor Technologies’ Privacy Policy, I will be citing it directly throughout this email. https://apps.raptortech.com/About/Privacy

Their Privacy Policy

Starting directly with their privacy policy, as this INCLUDES students and their information. “Customer Information may relate to different types of individuals, including Customers’ staff, volunteers, visitors, students, parents/guardians, and other individuals.” They follow COPPA (https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/rules/childrens-online-privacy-protection-rule-coppa) for students under 13, which means the company is less restricted on their data collection and use for anyone 13 and older, as they no longer fall under these guidelines. There should ALWAYS be a requirement for the student, at the very least, to CONSENT to their data being collected.

What Data is Collected?

According to their privacy policy, the customer information that may be collected (which once again, includes students):
  • Attendance and hall pass information, such as dates and times of arrival and departure, attendance in classes, and hall pass permissions.

  • Dismissal information, such as pick-up times, persons and vehicles authorized for pick-up, and confirmation of pick-up.

  • Health screening responses, such as any symptoms individuals report as part of a health screening process or service. (This one is of special concern, what about HIPAA? https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/guidance-materials-for-consumers/index.html)

  • “What Rights Does the Privacy Rule Give Me over My Health Information?”

THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE SCHOOL HAVING MEDICAL INFORMATION, IT IS THIS 3RD PARTY COMPANY I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.

"Receive a notice that tells you how your health information may be used and shared.

Decide if you want to give your permission before your health information can be used or shared for certain purposes, such as for marketing"

  • Behavioral health information, such as bullying, disrespectful behavior, depression, or other inappropriate or concerning behavior. (Once again, this is a HIPAA concern.)

  • Geolocation information, If enabled, our Services will collect information about precise geolocation to provide certain location-enabled features, such as the user’s location during an emergency.

  • Usage information, including information we log automatically when individuals use any applications in connection with the Services, such as the times and frequency of access to the application, interactions with application features, and other technical information.

How Customer Information is Used

- "Allowing Customers to...manage attendance, hall passes and dismissal processes; undertake health screenings; prepare for, respond to, and recover from emergencies; identify student wellbeing concerns, and develop and engage in compliance and training initiatives;"

How They Share Customer Information

  • “At the direction of the Customer. Our Customers may direct us to integrate a Service with third-party offerings, software, or applications. In such cases, we will share Customer Information with those third parties at the Customer’s direction.” Meaning, once again, you would not inform parents properly of where their child(ren)'s information is being stored or shared.

  • “In the event of a corporate transaction. In the event of a corporate divestiture, merger, consolidation, acquisition, reorganization, sale or other disposition of all or any portion of our business or assets, we may share Customer Information with acquirers and other relevant participants in the transaction.” According to Liz Mineo from the Harvard Gazette, “…while customers have made the decision to share with 23andMe, from whom they get a lot of benefit, they really have very little say about what will happen should the company be taken over or should the company go bankrupt, and its assets sold,” as an example of how data can STILL be shared with 3rd parties, even if the company IS reputable. Which Raptor Technologies is NOT.

Raptor Technologies’ Past Data Breach (Jan 2024)

Here are several articles reporting about their data breach in 2024, exposing millions of school records including: safety procedures, student medical files, and court documents. This is unacceptable. This is why this information SHOULD NOT all be stored TOGETHER on a private company's off-site servers.
https://www.wired.com/story/us-school-shooter-emergency-plans-leak/
https://www.edweek.org/technology/a-massive-data-leak-exposed-school-lockdown-plans-what-districts-need-to-know/2024/01
https://hackread.com/texas-school-safety-software-data-leak/
https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/school-software-breach-reveals-private-data-on-millions-of-users
https://www.k12dive.com/news/raptor-technologies-school-safety-data-leak/704790/
https://www.twingate.com/blog/tips/Raptor-data-breach "The data exposed in the breach included school lockdown plans, student medical records, information on students flagged as posing a threat on campus, evacuation plans, court documents outlining family abuse and restraining orders, names and ID numbers of staff, parents, guardians, and students, details about school security measures, drivers licenses of school visitors, active shooter response plans, campus maps and CCTV locations, locations and descriptions of "safe rooms," emergency contact lists, layouts of schools or classrooms, infrastructure issues, monthly drills, safety protocol violations, background check details, and information on at-risk students."
https://databreaches.net/2024/01/11/us-school-shooter-emergency-plans-exposed-in-raptor-technologies-data-leak/


THIS WAS NOT EVEN FROM HACKING. This was the company publishing these documents by accident on a PUBLIC WEBSITE, meaning ANYONE ONLINE could have access to the information.

I will never trust a company that messes up this badly.

Safety Concerns

Not including the data breach, I wonder about the practices of staff that have access to this information, people in general do not have good digital practices. Often using very insecure passwords (especially the same passwords for multiple things), being careless about what information they share, being susceptible to social engineering (how most hacks happen), etc.

In the United States we have the ever-present concern of school shooters, if someone with these intentions were to get access to where EVERY STUDENT is at any given time (since they are required to check-in at kiosks), as well as the school's emergency plans, they now know how to target as many people as possible. This is morbid, but it is a genuine problem.

I understand the problems with students and damage to the bathrooms, but this is not the solution. Period. I did not consent to my student’s data being shared with 3rd party. I do not mean to come at this with aggression or anger, but this is something I am very protective of in a world where companies sell data like candy is given out at Halloween, except they get lots of money in return. This normalizes to students that privacy is not a right, they were not asked if they were OK with their data being sent off. This normalization leads to apathy. I believe schools should teach digital hygiene practices, but this is not what this is about.

I am willing to discuss other solutions for my child. Though I believe it is a concern for everyone, and I will be contacting other parents with my concerns, as most people are not technologically savvy enough to realize what risks these devices pose.

I will glady come in for a meeting to further discuss my concerns, but I can assure you, I will not be persuaded to allow this breach of privacy. Schools are meant to protect children, not put them further in danger and teach them to not care about their data and safety. I would also like to see the school’s specific privacy agreement with Raptor Technologies. My student is of particular concern when it comes to privacy with being in the foster care system.

Thank you for your time

Blah463

  • Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    What the fuck??? I haven’t been out of US high school for more than 5 years, and when I was there we just did a request on this school website/resource we used where your teacher could approve it (not just for bathrooms, but going anywhere basically), and then you’d click the end session button or whatever when you came back. I actually liked this as using a physical pass that hundreds of kids touched is probs gross as hell.

    Why the fuck do they need geolocation and health data tags 24/7??? Are we fucking cattle!!!

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    responses to medical questionnaires, and it can be shared with 3rd parties according to their privacy policy.

    This screams “HIPAA violation” to me

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      Yuppp. I mentioned that in the email to the principal (who I’m going to first, then BOE, then news). I’m getting someone I know that uses FB in the same community to post my concerns and see if we can gather more parents. I’ll post the email anonymized shortly.

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    You have a lot of sway as a parent over the school systems in the US so I’d throw a fit. Maybe even contact some other parents and get together to all throw a fit about this. One person is easier to ignore. This sounds like a complete and total invasion of privacy to the point its mentally conditioning your kid to accept just being monitored by the government 24/7 as an adult. I wouldn’t accept it.

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      I just hope I’m able to pass on even a bit of my absolute seething hatred for anything that compromises privacy. Wheww it gets me going and I am not an angry person generally, but especially when it comes to my kids, it’s unacceptable.

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        Honestly kids understand a lot more than people give them credit for. I think if you just explained it to them in plain english they’d get it.

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          I absolutely have! Also they are both young teens. Problem IS, bad practices have already been the norm for them. They have learned that giving all your data away willingly means nothing. That privacy means nothing. And I myself do sometimes get despair and hopeless about privacy. Because it IS hard. But I have explicitly talked to them about privacy protections they can do, how to navigate the privacy settings in various social media apps (I hate them, but it’s honestly inevitable, so I’d rather they know how to limit their exposure), WHY privacy is important, why flock cameras are bad for everyone, basic password security and management, etc etc. I absolutely believe children understand things. I hate when people talk down to even very young children. (Dont get me started on young kid’s shows ugh) You obviously have to change the vocabulary and scope, but starting them with simple practices is great.

          I have no desire to have a very young child, the situation I’m in is very much a instance of circumstances just being what they are lol. So I do try to instill in the parents around me that this is an active practice they should.be teaching from a young age, and practicing themselves. But I do try to make it as seamless as possible for them. Because they already have enough on their plates. And it’s all about risk management and doing a privacy assessment.

          I don’t expect people to go as hard as I have, completely de-googling where I can (fucking monopoly), changing my OS both on pc and phone, deleting all socials, etc.

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            honestly what you’ve done is what I did too and its not that big of a deal imo. Once you adjust to it. I’d challenge your kids to like take a “cleanse” from social media for example as a family. Maybe go on a camping trip and use 0 tech the entire time. See how they like it. Sometimes people don’t even realize how tech changes their lives until they have a moment away from it.

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              I would say that depends on how entrenched you were with it, and how your family/friends react. I went from constant use of everything to nothing. Changing everything over was a PITA, email and password-wise. Like ultimately once it was done, it’s not hard to keep up. But the initial switch can be daunting. Tbh I also have executive dysfunction so even small tasks sound like hell to me sometimes.

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    If this was the UK or EU you’d have strong grounds to refuse under GDPR. Do you have any similar protections wherever you are?

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    It doesn’t really help, but every Little Free Library around would suddenly have a copy or three of Little Brother by Cory Doctorow, and all my kids friends would get a copy directly.

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      Ohh I’ll have to check this book out. Unfortunately with the high use of computers in schools nowadays, getting the kids to read books is like pulling teeth. Which is something I’m also against, but not nearly as mad as I am about this. It makes me sick that they’re just OK with this, and didnt ask fucking permission.

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    You tell them you will absolutely not allow this. You simply do not agree to the terms of service, so you won’t be doing it. End discussion.

    And if they try and limit bathroom breaks, they can expect a letter from your lawyer. Ask for a key for your kid.

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    How old are these “kids”? People use that to mean anything from 6 year olds to 17 year olds, which is not the same. The main problem though, is kids being treated as less than people, and the property of others (usually their parents, but sometimes the school or government). If children had more legal rights in general, they wouldn’t require the luck of having a decent parent like you to fight on their behalf - what about all the other students?

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      They’re middle schoolers, so 11-14. (oh, also they say they use COPPA when it comes to data for kids UNDER 13, so any kid above that? Whatever IG). Yeah. I’m so pissed, for everyone. I am coming at it mainly for my child, but I intend to lay out all my points against its usage AT ALL. I am really nervous about this, as I am a non confrontational person in general. But this actually has me seething. I am afraid I am going to not be able to express my point well.

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    WTF? Individual trackers? It would be creepy with temporary ones, but defensible. But full on tracking all the time?

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      Yep. They’re expected to wear if on a lanyard at all times and check in to every place they go with “kiosks”

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    restricting phones in school would reduce time spent in bathrooms

    and it would improve student privacy

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    One idea for the bathrooms, is getting a doctor that knows your kids the most (most commonly that would be a family doctor, but if a kid has a reason to have a specialized doctor then go to that one) to get a signed letter that tells the school to give the kid(s) unrestricted access to the bathroom. Then give that to the school and the school basically has to do what the doctor says (because you or the doctor could put up a fight if they don’t).

    Kids could also make the data useless by checking in to multiple places, or leaving it somewhere in the school (for example).

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    Sounds like it’s time for those bathroom locks to have an accident.

    Limiting bathroom access can have health consequences.

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    foucault-madness

    Gotta make sure to teach kids early that they have no expectation of privacy no matter where they go and that their every movement and behaviour is tracked. No way in hell would I permit any child of mine to be tracked like that.

    The entire situation sounds absolutely bonkers, are schools really that fucking draconian that they lock the bathrooms between classes?? Like that’s when you’re supposed to go so you don’t leave during class and cause a disruption. Shit I had teachers tell me to wait until the next break!

    Also limited bathroom breaks is absurd but also gotta train those future proles early so they don’t get any ideas like “I should be able to go to the bathroom when I need to throughout the day”

    They’re 100% selling the children’s info to any buyer they can

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    Cite religious beliefs and not wanting your kid forced to carry the Mark of the Beast. Rattle off some Bible verses from Revelations, complain about persecution of Christians, and you’ll be set.

    Or, you know, give actual reality-based reasons and hope for sensible school administrators. At the very least, I would expect them to share a privacy policy explaining what this third-party has access to and what they can do with the data.

    Personally, a single “bathroom pass” NFC card that a teacher hands out to any student in their class that needs a bathroom visit wouldn’t cause me much security consternation; that any student could be carrying the pass at any given time is enough anonymztion for my concerns. I’d be more concerned about germs; a group pass is going to get nasty.

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      So genuinely I think making a new sect of a religion that is entirely focused on privacy could be a genius move. Maybe the Satanist Church? They’re already a thing maybe they’d be down for it. Then everyone who is into privacy just cites their religious beliefs whenever they get pushback. The religious in the US are like the most protected class of people there is. So taking advantage of that could be super effective.

      Edit: It’s The Satanist Temple I was thinking of and these are their current tenets: I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own. V Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs. VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

      I think you could easily argue Tenet 3 for this case.

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      No, every student gets one so it’s unique to them. It tracks their geolocation, behavioral problems, responses to medical questionnaires. I read over the privacy policy and they are allowed to share this info with third parties. (As “customers” includes the kids under the schools)

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      Personally, a single “bathroom pass” NFC card that a teacher hands out to any student in their class that needs a bathroom visit wouldn’t cause me much security consternation; that any student could be carrying the pass at any given time is enough anonymztion for my concerns. I’d be more concerned about germs; a group pass is going to get nasty.

      Add in a requirement that the scanners have to be connected to an airgapped system, and the system software ONLY reports/stores if a trip took more than X minutes, where X is some agreed upon time by teachers/parents/etc how long a trip should take, and I think that’s a a decent basis for a product that most school districts will completely ignore while they get wined/dined by someone who completely intends to sell the system at a loss and profit off the data collected.