Young boys are exposed to near constant right wing internet programming and are increasingly attacking girls in school, verbally and physically, starting as early as elementary school.
Combine that with largely apathetic and inattentive parents + very few male teachers and school is becoming an absolute nightmare for everybody
This essentially reflects the rise in incel school shooters except these young men just grow up to become bitter right wing misogynistic bigots instead. They have nowhere to go but right
They are Joe boys and UFC fans. The RNC literally lasso’d these low hanging fruit that get their news in 10 second videos… As soon as their parents kick them out and they have to work and pay rent, they quickly run from the dark side. It’s easy to sway INCELS. The DNC simply chooses not to and it’s a bad game plan. Most of them were Bernie Bros until they, gasp, gave the nomination to Hillary. I have two that have done the circle of life with this exact scenario.
Bernie Bros Voted for Trump Voted For Biden Voted for Trump kicked them both out and all they even do now is bleat about how Trump hasn’t done a GD thing to help them. No shit.
The charts in the article don’t even support this claim, at least in the USA and Britain. I mean look at them.
turning right wing means the direction of the arrow points towards “conservative”. Also, if the men’s line goes downward, that means more and more men are conservative, as the line is the average.
Except in 2 of the 4 graphs, young men are still more liberal-leaning and in Germany it’s only barely conservative leaning. What they all have in common however is young women becoming extremely liberal-leaning. The headline in other words is misleading.
but they are still “turning rightwing”, because they are becoming more and more conservative.
But it’s true, to be complete, the headline should mention that women are turning leftwing too. The problem remains the same though, with men wanting traditional women, and women wanting progressive men.
It’s going to be interesting.
Please. If you actually bothered there’s tons of data to validate this trend. It’s been known for years now, this isn’t exactly news.
The article does not evan define what it means by «liberal» and «conservative».
Do men do not want better worker rights? Are they all turning Christian and Muslim? Or is this only related to their support of LGBT+ efforts?or more likely imo their inability to say what they want and have a compliant tradwife despite their shit behaviour
I assume it means that the men are being brainwashed by facism and misogynist ideology and the women who are subjugated by that system are rejecting that in solidarity
A study should not rely on readers’ assumptions, don’t you think?
This shit and the people writing it get uplifted only because they say something that aligns to what we already believe, but it is of very little value.Countless studies have linked facism and far right ideologies to misogyny. Would you like me to post peer reviewed studies for you? Also, the evidence of this and the hateful manosphere propaganda is literally everywhere these days. The right is stripping women’s rights and healthcare. Women and girls are being trafficked and this behavior is being protected by the right. The right is talking about lowering the age of consent to 14 year old children so their parents can’t even protect them all of this is far right ideology so….Women who are smart know that support for this puts them in danger so naturally they would move left.
Here’s the FT article the graphic is from
https://www.ft.com/content/29fd9b5c-2f35-41bf-9d4c-994db4e12998
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The flaws in their culture, where they’re expected to be invaded by North Korea at anytime, and nearly all the males – even pop stars – are also expected to do military service. Of course the men have become deeply reactionary.
where they’re expected to be invaded by North Korea at anytime
it could be noted, maybe, that in case of a war, probably only men would have to go to the frontline. so much for equality.
From the article:
The #MeToo movement was the key trigger, giving rise to fiercely feminist values among young women who felt empowered to speak out against long-running injustices. That spark found especially dry tinder in South Korea, where gender inequality remains stark, and outright misogyny is common.
In the country’s 2022 presidential election, while older men and women voted in lockstep, young men swung heavily behind the right-wing People Power party, and young women backed the liberal Democratic party in almost equal and opposite numbers.
Korea’s is an extreme situation, but it serves as a warning to other countries of what can happen when young men and women part ways. Its society is riven in two. Its marriage rate has plummeted, and birth rate has fallen precipitously, dropping to 0.78 births per woman in 2022, the lowest of any country in the world.
Seven years on from the initial #MeToo explosion, the gender divergence in attitudes has become self-sustaining. Survey data show that in many countries the ideological differences now extend beyond this issue. The clear progressive-vs-conservative divide on sexual harassment appears to have caused — or at least is part of — a broader realignment of young men and women into conservative and liberal camps respectively on other issues.
Seven years on from the initial #MeToo explosion
it’s crazy to me that that was as late as 2018. i definitely felt that circulating in school in 2012.
young women backed the liberal Democratic party in almost equal and opposite numbers
This is only partially true. The key swing vote in the election, that handed Trump the win were; 40+year old white women without a college education. Until this election, that group was almost entirely in the Democrat camp, but went full MAGA.
The youth vote only has a small turnout, with voting patterns locked into geographic regions, there wasn’t too much unexpected that happened with the youth vote.
Be skeptical of recent survey data, reflection on this past election, or any survey data for that matter, especially in a Medium article.This quote comes from the graph’s source article from the FT. They are talking about South Korea and not the US.
The author is discussing several countries, including the U.S.A., saying that it is the same trend for each. So yest they are implying the US.
What they are explicitly saying, and not implying at all is, “Korea’s is an extreme situation, but it serves as a warning to other countries of what can happen when young men and women part ways. Its society is riven in two.”
They are not implying the specifics of how the election unfolded in South Korea bears clear resemblance to the US like you stated.
This is a silly discussion because you did read the FT article, speculated wildly, and now are defending your bad take with a vague and baffling two sentence defense. Construct an actual argument.
It’s a shitty article, that uses shitty polling data.
What it means to be lib vs. con in different time periods and different countries is a complex question. I guarantee you that in absolute terms, white boys from the Midwest are much less racist than they were 40 years ago.It misses the biggest swing from lib to conservative that happened, that older white women, without a college education, flipped to conservative, from consistently voting Democrat.
The article implicitly is trying to cast blame on young white boys, turning conservative, and therefore pushing the country into being regressive. It misses that the biggest regressive block are still the elderly white folk, and that that block is also the biggest voting block.
This makes no sense. Since when do countries other than the US exist?
Wise dudes should always zig when the bandwagon of bros zags. Increases your chances.
Having a niche helps. Never thought “be left wing” would be it, but here we are.
left wing “Spaces” are often astroturfed by right wing propaganda, makes hard to find a niche.
And the loneliness epidemic continues
Thanks I hate this
I’m 33, but man, am I glad I found forums with open minded people…to be a hateful bigot in today’s age…just doesn’t make sense to me.
if people imbibe in xitter, rogean podcast, j peterson, shapiro, or even the tate brothers they are more than likely already deep in right wing mindset, all 4 are knowingly backed by russian propaganda/funded.
I think there are plenty of dudes that listen to Rogan that don’t understand they’re listening to right wing shit.
In any age, it didn’t make sense. We are strong, united. The elite seek to divide us because it makes us weaker and easier to control. Nobody is born a bigot.
Alone we are weak, like a single twig. But together…
Form Gaytron, go!
Ape together strong
It’s partly because forums aren’t really a thing these days. People tend to spend their time on places like Instagram, twitter, YouTube, etc. All algorithmically feeding them content. And that algorithm isn’t what’s best or most liked, but what is the most engaged with. So anything “controversial”. Which, in the real world, equates to right-wing content.
Seriously, say you go on YouTube and you want to watch a video about a film. Say you liked the most recent Ghostbusters and think it’s underrated. You find a video called something like “Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire is actually better than you think”. It’s 30 minutes long, which is about the length of time you want to kill. You start watching and you’re agreeing with it. Then it gets to the 20 minute mark and suddenly the video is talking about the woman-led reboot and how bad it is in comparison. The word “woke” starts getting thrown around. Its lack of quality is blamed on women as a whole being incapable of being funny.
Suddenly you realise that the maker of the video is a misogynist and you stop watching.
But you’ve already watched 20 minutes. YouTube now thinks you like content of the kind produced by that channel. So you’ll see a lot more of that kind of thing, because it makes people angry. Either angry because they agree with the author about how wokeness is destroying everything, or angry because they think he’s a misogynist. But either way, they’re upvoting/downvoting and leaving comments.
Now, you’re not interested in that kind of material, but perhaps there’s a video that you wouldn’t have been recommended before which isn’t as extreme, but just has a couple of things you disagree with. Perhaps it’s masked with irony and edgy humour. Watch enough of this new kind of content and you might find yourself being a little more sympathetic to the parts that you would previously have disagreed with.
This is particularly true if you’re someone who doesn’t see themselves as being in a good situation. If you haven’t got a job, then it’s much more palatable to be told that it’s because of those foreigners coming here on small boats than it is that you’re not particularly employable, or there just aren’t very many jobs right now because we’re in an economic downturn, or that the entire system is rigged to take money from the poor and give it to the rich and that you’re on the wrong side of that equation. Those things are emotionally uncomfortable and complex as ideas. The thought “it’s all because of them” feels good, because anger feels good, and it’s simple. Just get rid of “them” and all will be wonderful again.
Same with women. Do you need to work on yourself? Do you need to actually make a conscious effort to examine your attitudes and the attitudes ingrained in society and think before you make an off-hand remark to a woman? Do you need to change your attitude and start thinking of women as complex people with inner lives who don’t owe you anything even if you really, really think they’re very pretty and they smell nice and are a bit gothy and have big tits and even if you’re always polite to them and hold the door open for them and once gave them half of your chocolate bar and she accepted and smiled at you? No! It’s the femoids’ fault for only wanting Chad and Tyrone! Come join US! WE understand you! We’re not going to tell you that you need to take any responsibility for anything! We’ll tell you that you ARE owed sex and that she’s a bitch for witholding it by putting you in the friendzone! It’s not YOU! It’s THEM! It’s all THEIR fault!
There’s a lot of people in bad situations. There’s a lot of people feeling neglected and lost and helpless and hopeless and emotionally disconnected. And the message that the answer is simple and it’s all the fault of [group X] and that if you could just put [group X] in their place then you’d get everything you ever wanted, is a very, very seductive one. “It’s complicated, and will require effort, and even then things may not get much better” is a much less appealing pitch.
Combine those things with engagement-pushing algorithms which favour right-wing content - alongside far-right groups actively trying to recruit people with irony and a “boil the frog” approach, and some platforms (twitter, I’m looking in your direction) actively trying to push a far-right narrative - and it’s not really a surprise that some people, men in particular, are moving to the right.
Where are forums not a thing? I’m active on several independent forums whenever I have the time. So are many, many other people, some of which I know IRL.
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I think a lot of men are struggling to support the liberal side because the party has pretty much made it not ok to be a white man. The liberal party blames everything on the white man, there were really awful diversity initiatives that probably pissed a lot of men off due to the fact that they would get overlooked for scholarships, internships, jobs, etc.
Yeah that’s bs. I remember feeling like this many years ago but eventually realized it was NOT liberals making it not ok to be a white man, but the conservative picture of liberals. This is all from people in the wrong echo chamber internalizing the propaganda from the other side
lol
Got any examples of liberals saying it’s not okay to be a white man?
I think a lot of men are struggling to support the liberal side because the party has pretty much made it not ok to be a white man.
So what you’re saying is that these men are stupid as shit?
Ah yes calling them stupid as shit will definitely bring them back. You just proved my point.
The majority of men don’t fall for those dumb grifts.
So the ones that do are indeed stupid as fuck.
In some sense, yes and that’s part of the problem. Not sure if you often talk to anyone <25 years old, but as you get older it becomes pretty obvious that they’re just not mentally or emotionally mature. It’s not their fault, the human physiology makes early life an extended formative period. They’re generally not good with nuance or introspection, that’s just how it is.
Take a girl and a boy into Twitter in the 2010s and they’re going to a wide array of diverse and complex viewpoints. The girl is immersed in #MeToo-style solidarity and relatively simple to digest slogans (pregnancy is scary and the left is pro choice, the left is pushing against toxic beauty culture, the left wants me educated and more than a housewife, etc…).
None of can really resonate the same with the boy. In fact, hyperbolic or nuanced slogans fly right over his undeveloped frontal lobe or even backfire (all men are bastards?, black lives matter?, who got cancelled for what?, no means no![usually?], etc…). That doesn’t force him into being a shitty conservative adult, but it definitely affects his politics in the same way that too-early exposure to porn affects someone’s adult sexual attitudes.
People scoff at the concept of treating men with “kid gloves”, but forget that the public internet includes kids. Dismantling the patriarchy is messy and difficult stuff, doing that in front of a generation of impressionable boys is how you end up with the graphs in the article. We’re just now seeing the first social media age repurcussions, but now imagine some younger voters where MAGA politics is the status quo…
I’m going to wholeheartedly disagree with you here. To your point I highly disagree with what you state is the cause of this issue on social media. There’s literally a billion dollar right wing indoctrination campaign targeting boys and men with facist , patriarchal and misogynistic ideology. This entire thread ignores that fact and focuses on a daytime show that almost nobody watches in the first place and is a rare open forum for women to discuss things. That show is in no way anywhere near as hateful or even comparable to what the manosphere pushes.
The Black Lives Matter and me too movements were long overdue and the backlash is very well funded by billionaires. The reason why a lot of people don’t understand why these movements are important is a failure or success of the education system depending on how you look at it. States like California have made ethnic studies curriculum mandatory (critical race theory). understanding the history of colonialists oppression and how it’s shaped societies hierarchy is essential for understanding why it’s bad for everyone and what it means to be “privileged” in a system of oppression.spoiler you’re still oppressed. that’s why right wing states have worked so hard to make sure this isn’t taught. It’s much better for the system of oppression to convince them they are the real victims in all of this so they will continue to enforce the very system that is oppressing them by oppressing those that they are being told are below them for the system. Rape and racism is an entitlement of this system of oppression. Patriarchy isn’t being dismantled it’s being restored and backed by endless money and power.
I don’t disagree that the absurdly well funded and targeted indoctrination campaign is the reason for right wing success. But I think even without that influence you’d still get a generation of “apolitical” or left-skeptic men. That was always going to be the result of any attack against the patriarchy. The inability of progressives to predict that and keep them from going farther right was a massive blunder.
Who is getting overlooked? Where?
The right is telling white men that they’re special and “others” are taking their jobs and opportunities. Tale as old as time from conservative politicians.
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
The right is telling white men that they’re special and “others” are taking their jobs and opportunities.
I think that’s sort of the point. If “everything is the fault of X white men” is something that’s just simply demoralizing. I mean, imagine being constantly blamed for the world’s ills. To the hear that they’re special makes them feel like they’re finally recognized and valued, as much as that feeling may betray them. So essentially, all this talk about them being the cause of everything has made them ripe for the picking by propaganda.
I mean I disagree with you calling it propaganda but yes that’s my point. Why would they stay with a party that demoralizes them.
No individual is being blamed for anything… well, maybe a handful are…
Congratulations, you found the problem. It’s easier to say “all white men should die” than “these rich and powerful individuals that made society worse should die”. Guess what happens when you take the easy route all the time.
It ain’t just rich and powerful white dudes, though.
A whole lot of incels, for example, could use a wood chipper.
No the right is not telling them they are special they just aren’t vilifying them like the left is.
The left is not villifying white men… where does this shit even come from? It’s entirely baseless.
Joy Reid talks about it every day. The view loves to make white men the problem.
The NY Post is a supermarket tabloid, you unbelievable moron.
And you said it was more than Reid, didn’t you? What happened AOC, The View, Whoopi and all the boogeymen you mentioned? Were you lying?
Imagine finding a clearly dubious source about ONE FUCKING PERSON and then saying that represents the “left”. It’s a miracle you have enough intelligence to tie your shoes.
check the men vs. bear debate. apparently, meeting a random man in a forest is worse than being mauled by a wild bear.
Way to show you don’t understand that debate.
A bear will only maul you to death. While too many men will do much worse given the chance and anonymity of the hypothetical situation.
Not all of course, just too big of a percentage to ignore.
Just like how not all bears will maul you either.
It’s some of column A, some of column B. Although most of the ‘democrats blame white people for everythin’ actually is messaging from the right wing media. Nonetheless, the reason it works is that there’s kernel of truth that the left needs to understand better. Things like ‘there’s no such thing as racism against whites’ and ‘white guys are born on 3rd’ need to be seen as divisive and counter productive.
I agree with your statements. I’m sure that is an extreme take of blame everything from center left individuals but the far left certainly do and I’m sure the far right take it we blame everything
the issue is that tons of people are born on third. it’s about money. not sex or ethnicity, it’s wealth.
but apparently some working-class guy making 50K is seen as privledged and evil by the liberals, and they wonder why that guy used to vote for them but doesn’t anymore…
Of course it’s not really ‘liberals’ saying that. It’s a relatively small but loud pool of ignorant left wing radicals. And it’s amplified by the right wing media who use this to disenfranchise people from the left. And so we end up with authoritarian right wing policies that cripple us way more than anything the left does.
dude it’s literally the democrat party’s platform. it’s what kamala ran on and got her ass handed to her. she pandered to every identity group, but men. their entire platform is about minorities and women. men are told to fuck right off. and they wonder why men don’t vote for them?
tons of videos out there from leftwing and liberal news outlets pointed this out. one went through the democrat parties campaign, ads, websites, interviews, and showed men were never discussed, no were bread and butter economic issues.
deny it all you want. young men get the message. and they will vote for who supports them.
No the right is not telling them they are special they just aren’t vilifying them like the left is.
Nazi-Germany which was and is a far-right party definitely claimed they are special. Remember the whole thing about “Aryan” race and how the others are inferior while the Aryan suppose to be superior.
Likud party from Israel which is far-right are claiming they are the superior too and that others suppose to be inferior.
AFD from Germany which leans to Nazism also claim they are the superior.
White supremacy which usually is within the far-right parties very often (if not always) lean to being “superior” over the others.
Even a quick google search would immediately show this. So where are you getting your information from or is it just your opinion?
The right is not claiming white supremacy. They are tired of being told they are inherently racist. They are tired of getting passed up on qualifications for being white vs a different race. They are tired of literally talking about race and possibly having to pay reparations for things they have not done. It’s all right there…
its… all in your head
California is giving reparations, the us supreme Court ruled against DEI since it WAS happening at Harvard. There’s two examples.
There are some training at work where we have to acknowledge our bias before even staring a meeting I mean it’s hilarious how you can say that.
No evidence of your claims and thus it is your opinion and your account is 2 days old. Got it. I’ll leave the discussion.
No evidence of your claims and thus it is your opinion
Nerd time, but:
That’s not how it works. Opinions are subjective by definition. An assertion without evidence is not an opinion.
The burden of proof is in the accuser not the accused. I don’t have to provide evidence for something as asinine as saying the right is racist and full of white supremacy.
You also conveniently ignored the evidence I provided and still somehow managed to get say it was an opinion still. Your article clip just proves it was happening?
Ok man I hope you get out of your echo chamber.
California is doing reparations. So tax dollars are being used to pay reparations how is that no evidence?
DEI hires happened and there was a number that companies needed to hit and other people lost out for the simple reason of race.
Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard happened so…it’s not “not happening”
I don’t care how old my account is I’m going to bring another side to the story now since you all have just heard one side for so long here.
https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/09/california-reparations-slavery-apology/
Reparations… A state that never had slaves is paying with taxes from people who never owned slaves…like it’s happening I don’t understand how you say that.
My people were slaves, where are my reparations?
Oh man, I’m exhausted of your comments.
You mentioned;
No the right is not telling them they are special they just aren’t vilifying them like the left is.
The right is not claiming white supremacy. They are tired of being told they are inherently racist. They are tired of getting passed up on qualifications for being white vs a different race. They are tired of literally talking about race and possibly having to pay reparations for things they have not done. It’s all right there…
None of what you just wrote gives any evidence to your previous claims.
DEI hires happened and there was a number that companies needed to hit and other people lost out for the simple reason of race.
you’re talking about DEI as if the right wing party made that happen but it’s the opposite
The full list of US universities at risk of losing state department funding over DEI support
This is from the article above;
More than three dozen universities including Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Duke have their participation in a federal research partnership on the chopping block after the state department proposed to suspend them over their diversity, equity and inclusion hiring practices.
Keep in mind the article is from November 2025 which means the right-wing party is in charge.
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I don’t care how old my account is I’m going to bring another side to the story now since you all have just heard one side for so long here.
I do because usually several old days accounts are usually trolls or… like you; claiming stuff which are not (entirely) true
Like I mentioned earlier, you never gave any evidence of the claims you made before and try to change subjects (reparations, slavery and DEI). Zero mentions nor evidence about your claim of; “the far right is not racist and not white supremacy”.
So, yeah. I’m out, I’ll block you so I don’t have to see your baseless comments.
Who’s vilifying? Is calling people out on their behavior vilifying?
It just seems like a lot of weak people just want to get treated special and the second nobody treats them special they claim to be a victim.
Lol literally any problem that exists is the white man’s fault right now. Really?
Who is saying that on the left?
It sounds more like projection and insecurity on your part than anyone actually saying that.
Joy Reid. Aoc. Ohmar. Whoopi. The entire cast of the view. Those are just off the top.
Any actual quotes from them that prove your assertion? And no one cares about Whoopi, she’s not some representative of the left.
Seems like you have a problem with non-white women?
Only two of those are politicians. Show proof that they blame white men in general.
One is an old actress and the other is a TV personality. These seem much more likely to say something stupid but you gotta show proof.
What’s funny about this is that Republicans constantly say the most vile racist and bigoted stuff all the time but conservatives always act like victims with hurt feelings about something they imagined was said.
Also, there’s GOP is full of pedophiles.
Lol, you didn’t answer his question because you know you’re wrong.
Reparations. Election wins. All kinds of shit are the white man’s fault right now
The NY Post is supermarket tabloid, you absolute fucking joke. There is zero serious conversation of “reparations” in the Democrat party.
And the only people who think anyone is blaming white people today for slavery are extremely dumb. And oddly defensive despite not being targeted.
So every white man has the same behavior? Or is “white man” a behavior itself? Should I change my skin color or cut off my dick?
Did I write that somewhere?
All I see is someone trying really hard to be a victim and to be offended. The one’s acting like the left is too mean to them are just unoriginal crybabies that have too much shame to say why they actually vote with the pedophile, anti-science, bigoted, authoritarian party. It isn’t economics.
sorry, so what sex/ethnicity to i have to be to be a victim of society?
You have to show how you’re a victim before you can claim to be a victim. The rest of society will either agree or not according to your claims and evidence.
You claim that the left doesn’t vilify white men. That it just vilifies their behaviour. Yet I often see phrases like “all men are trash”, “whites are the reason the world is fucked up”, “I would rather be with a bear than a man”.
At what point do any of those quotes become a leftist talking points?
So every stupid thing a woman on the internet says is a leftist talking point and makes you vote for a known pedophile party. All this because you’re a strong, intelligent and independent man.
the right is basically saying ‘work your ass off and you will get results’
the left is saying ‘work your ass off and expect nothing because you should give it away because you stole it from a woman/minority’
Exactly.
What an odd quote.
And the fertility rate collapse rolls on due to…political incompatibilty among the younger generations.
billionaires have bought up many of the popular entertainers of the internet age, or the platforms they’re hosted on. the propaganda pipeline is worse than it’s ever been, and people who aren’t in its crosshairs have no idea how bad it’s become.
Yeah the non korea charts appear to show young men being more centrist (+0) and women being more left.
Centrism is not a fixed ideology, it is just the current status quo. Sadly, the graphics are dogshit because they don’t explain what the y-axis means. Ist das ein Wert per Land oder soll er vergleichbar sein? What is zero? A little bit of racism but worker rights?
I was more getting at the headline but yeah that’s a larger problem with “left right” analysis in that is both a shifting target (example: in the 1900s eugenics was ‘progressive’ ) and its a fuzzy target where both sides might have similar policy stances in places but arrive there by very different paths (example: opposition to Israel).
I’ve never heard of eugenics being described as left wing. Could you elaborate?
Early in the 1900s for a very brief period eugenics was thought to be a way to rid the world of disease, before it became clear what it would entail. The amendment to ban alcohol and the amendment to unban alcohol were both part of the progressive movement as well. So nailing down what is centrist, progressive, right wing is very much time dependent.
Abortion was very much popular in non catholic churches until the 1980s when republicans roped it into the culture war.
The population will collapse.
