The amount of people here commenting authoritatively about this is disheartening.
Trump’s economic policies were insane. I remember looking at his campaign platform and seeing tax cuts everywhere and with no way to pay for anything.
I remember him shuttering valuable tools like the pandemic response teams because he wanted to tear down the success of previous administrations.
I still remember him mocking our military, displaying state secrets on national tv, trade wars that destroyed American jobs, diplomatic decisions that ruined international relationships.
I remember immigrant children locked in cages.
I remember the rule of law being absolutely trampled in order to achieve nothing. Just norms and institutions being torn down.
Trump accomplished nothing and made literally every facet of our government, politics and economic life worse.
He performed a political pump and dump and the entire world is still picking up the pieces.
He is a fascist and categorically the worst president we’ve ever had and every person here saying, “well actually…” should be ashamed.
While I agree I’d be careful with “I remember immigrant children locked in cages.” If you don’t want all the “ObAmA StArTeD iT aNd BiDeN CoNtInUeD!” comments lol
Obama is gonna close Gitmo any day now like he promised.
And surely Joe “I’m a Zionist” Biden wouldn’t do worse things to brown children than lock them in cages.
And Biden taxed the rich and the economy is fine now. Not like the private sector owns all housing funded by unlimited free money loaning like in 2008 or anthing.
Its amazing to see the flack when you say something along the lines of both sides are the same. In the end they will do anything for money except what is right for the people
No it’s not. The goal must be to exterminate the entirety of a group of people.
Being a cruel fascist piece of shit othering central americans by separating children - parents in detention centers then reuniting most of them isn’t genocide.
Forcible transferring of children from Ukraine may potentially violate multiple international law provisions.Footnote5 In its latest report, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine concluded that the transfer and deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia constitute violations of Article 147 of the Geneva Convention IV, Articles 74 and 85(4)(b)-(5) of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 8(1) of the Convention of the Rights of the Child.Footnote6 On 17 March 2023, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued warrants of arrest for two individuals in the situation in Ukraine: President Putin and Commissioner L’vova-Belova for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under Articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute).Footnote7
International lawyersFootnote8 remain divided on extent to which Russia’s actions in Ukraine constitute genocide under any of the paragraphs of Article IIFootnote9 of the Genocide Convention.Footnote10 Predictably, the fundamental challenge lies with proving dolus specialis, a special intent to physically destroy the group, as required by the genocide definition.Footnote11
I’m glad you know more than international lawyers who specialize in war crimes.
I’m glad you’re watering down geopolitical atrocities as some political gotcha instead of trying to understand the truth beyond propaganda sound bytes.
Weed and I have never mixed well lol. Most smoking for that matter. I blame living in households full of smokers for the first 18 years of my life. Thank god banning it in public buildings finally got around to being a thing in the USA.
And yes, it is, as I clarified to the proper context.
E: You can call a chicken a duck as much as you want. It doesn’t make them both a chicken just because they’re both poultry.
That can be an element of genocide, but you need more, otherwise we could say that putting kids into foster care is a type of genocide, which is silly.
But that just proves my point that it has to be more than just putting kids into foster care. You wouldn’t claim that we’re guilty of genocide every time we take a white kid away from their drug-addicted criminal family. There has to be more to it as you yourself have just tacitly acknowledged. It has to be systemic and part of a much larger pattern, just as was the very program vis Native Americans that you mention.
Again, the case remains; simply removing kids from their families is not necessarily grounds for charges of genocide. We need more.
IMO a lot of the shit we are dealing with socio-politically is because Andrew Johnson appeased the southern traitors and allowed them to keep their wealth and power after the Civil War. I often wonder what we’d be like if the Confederacy were properly humbled and then reconstructed instead of what happened. Maybe the road from Tea Party to MAGA would have never been walked.
Germany was “properly humbled” after WW1 and the treaty of Versailles.
Pretty sure the consensus is that this was a significant stepping stone to some bad things happening in Europe.
Humiliation leads to resentment, resentment leads to revanchism, revanchism leads to jingoism.
Yeah, we wouldn’t want to completely humiliate them for the reasons you mentioned, but they still should have removed the established judges/officials among other things.
The amount of people here commenting authoritatively about this is disheartening.
Trump’s economic policies were insane. I remember looking at his campaign platform and seeing tax cuts everywhere and with no way to pay for anything.
I remember him shuttering valuable tools like the pandemic response teams because he wanted to tear down the success of previous administrations.
I still remember him mocking our military, displaying state secrets on national tv, trade wars that destroyed American jobs, diplomatic decisions that ruined international relationships.
I remember immigrant children locked in cages.
I remember the rule of law being absolutely trampled in order to achieve nothing. Just norms and institutions being torn down.
Trump accomplished nothing and made literally every facet of our government, politics and economic life worse.
He performed a political pump and dump and the entire world is still picking up the pieces.
He is a fascist and categorically the worst president we’ve ever had and every person here saying, “well actually…” should be ashamed.
While I agree I’d be careful with “I remember immigrant children locked in cages.” If you don’t want all the “ObAmA StArTeD iT aNd BiDeN CoNtInUeD!” comments lol
Obama is gonna close Gitmo any day now like he promised.
And surely Joe “I’m a Zionist” Biden wouldn’t do worse things to brown children than lock them in cages.
And Biden taxed the rich and the economy is fine now. Not like the private sector owns all housing funded by unlimited free money loaning like in 2008 or anthing.
Both sides Schmoth sides everyone!
Its amazing to see the flack when you say something along the lines of both sides are the same. In the end they will do anything for money except what is right for the people
Both sides are pretty bad. They are not the same.
“Slow the testing down, please!”
he should have been immediately arrested and thrown in the fucking Hague with that statement.
He is a fascist and the worst president we could’ve possibly had that didn’t commit straight up genocide.*
Removing children from parents is genocide.
No it’s not. The goal must be to exterminate the entirety of a group of people.
Being a cruel fascist piece of shit othering central americans by separating children - parents in detention centers then reuniting most of them isn’t genocide.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/international/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/forcible-transfer
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10443894231200659
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-50
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2023.2228085
An example where it is but they aren’t necessarily killing every one of them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
Wow lol. Just have to be 100% right don’t you.
TL;DR.
Article 2 Subsection E: (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
-_-
I’m glad you know more than international lawyers who specialize in war crimes.
I’m glad you’re watering down geopolitical atrocities as some political gotcha instead of trying to understand the truth beyond propaganda sound bytes.
I’m not saying any of that lmao.
That’s literally one of the aspects of genocide as defined by the International Court of the Hague, lol.
Jesus, man. Smoke a joint or learn how to communicate better.
Weed and I have never mixed well lol. Most smoking for that matter. I blame living in households full of smokers for the first 18 years of my life. Thank god banning it in public buildings finally got around to being a thing in the USA.
And yes, it is, as I clarified to the proper context.
E: You can call a chicken a duck as much as you want. It doesn’t make them both a chicken just because they’re both poultry.
That can be an element of genocide, but you need more, otherwise we could say that putting kids into foster care is a type of genocide, which is silly.
We do and did to native Americans.
Not silly.
But that just proves my point that it has to be more than just putting kids into foster care. You wouldn’t claim that we’re guilty of genocide every time we take a white kid away from their drug-addicted criminal family. There has to be more to it as you yourself have just tacitly acknowledged. It has to be systemic and part of a much larger pattern, just as was the very program vis Native Americans that you mention.
Again, the case remains; simply removing kids from their families is not necessarily grounds for charges of genocide. We need more.
What about this do you not understand?
What about the real world events you’re arguing about not being related do you not understand?
Do you think there was a single white kid in a cage?
Fuck you’re retarded. 🤦🤡
Thank you for saying that. I have been making that case for years and no one else has ever agreed with me.
Chris Hanson arrest them
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I call this recency bias. Trump was terrible, but not the worst.
So Andrew Jackson?
In your opinion, who is worse?
IMO a lot of the shit we are dealing with socio-politically is because Andrew Johnson appeased the southern traitors and allowed them to keep their wealth and power after the Civil War. I often wonder what we’d be like if the Confederacy were properly humbled and then reconstructed instead of what happened. Maybe the road from Tea Party to MAGA would have never been walked.
Germany was “properly humbled” after WW1 and the treaty of Versailles. Pretty sure the consensus is that this was a significant stepping stone to some bad things happening in Europe.
Humiliation leads to resentment, resentment leads to revanchism, revanchism leads to jingoism.
Yeah, we wouldn’t want to completely humiliate them for the reasons you mentioned, but they still should have removed the established judges/officials among other things.
Fuck Woodrow Wilson.
At least Wilson was competent and qualified for the job.
Who’s worse?